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Topic

You cannot prove that God exists or doesn't exist (Atheists or Theists may participate)

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With 5 votes and 35 points ahead, the winner is ...

Sparrow
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Philosophy
Time for argument
Three days
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Open voting
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Round 1
Pro
In this debate, the full BoP is on con because they are the one claiming that something does or does not exist and I am merely taking the position of open speculation and skepticism. But since I don't want to make this entirely one sided, I will posit something to take a bit of the BoP off your shoulders .

If a God exists, it must be metaphysical in nature for the following reasons:

A) If a physically embodied God such as an Annunaki or Zeus were to exist as opposed to an entirely metaphysical one, it would be more akin to an alien or some form of trans-dimensional entity than a proper God-being.

B) If we are in a simulation, whatever is controlling it does not count as a God for similar reasons.

C) In order to create the material universe and truly preside above it as it's God, a being would have to be beyond material existence in order to be the thing that existed before the material universe to create it.

These factors significantly reduce the angles from which I can attack your arguments, and I truly believe them to be accurate assessments although I could be wrong.


Con
I'd like to clarify what proof means for me. Proving the non-existance of a metaphysical God is showing how such a God's existance would be illogical. But to do that, I must first see the arguments for the existance of God, and the characteristics of the God. Is he omnipotent? Is he omniscient? Is he omnibenevolent? Is he immortal? Did he create the Universe? "God" is a really general idea, so asking me to disprove the existance of "God" is like asking me to prove that blue tastes sour. To disprove something, I first need to know the arguments for it and understand what I'm trying to disprove in the first place. When you tell me that, I can begin.
Round 2
Pro
Well as I already proposed (but I am not making a definitive claim of)  for something to truly be a "God" it has to be something which is beyond the physical universe as we know it. I personally have no idea what God would be like if he/she/it was real but I believe the God which is most likely would be mostly similar to the Abrahamic monotheistic one. As for whether God is truly omnipotent or omniscient I would say probably no, at least not entirely. There would probably be some limitations in my view, but these limitations would be set by unknown parameters pertaining to the mechanics of a reality beyond the physical plane. As for an argument as to why a God would exist, the most logical one in my view is this:

Both logically and empirically speaking, we have reason to believe that everything in our reality must have a cause. But when you subtract all of the causes and effects that lead up to what we have now, there is an inescapable paradox of causality. If everything needs a cause, what caused "existence" in and of itself to exist? Well logically we can only conclude that either something came from nothing, that something was always there with no cause or that the first cause and effect were somehow the same thing, both the cause and the effect simultaneously. The first two options are a conundrum, the third can only be true if the first cause/effect was made of something that is real yet not tangible/physical such as information. What this line of thinking ultimately leads to is a singularity of information which contains every possibility simultaneously, and which assembled a tangible and logical reality out of the incoherent singularity of information by self-assembling as some sort of sentient probability algorithm which it was able to achieve because within the static of infinite possibilities cancelling each other out there was an meta-structure equivalent to a "God" which was actually aware of the information matrix which it itself was just another intangible part of.
Con
Forfeited
Round 3
Pro
Vote for me, I'm white. (jk)
Con
Forfeited