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Europe Should Ban 3rd World Immigrants

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Description

RESOLUTION
Europe should substantially reduce immigration from developing countries and deport migrants residing illegally within its borders

RULES
(1) Debater must post their own arguments and provide sources for factual claims.
(2) Place your sources for factual claims inside the round where they are made.
(3) Structure the debate in a readable, coherent fashion.
(4) No semantics, trolling, or lawyering. Engage with the substance of the resolution.
(5) Debaters must use their own writing. Writing will be tested with gptzero. If your text in a round is 10% or more AI, you forfeit that round.

ROUNDS
1. Main Argument
2. Rebuttal to opponent's main argument. No new arguments.
3. Evaluation of main arguments and rebuttals + voting issues (one paragraph). No new arguments.

DEFINITIONS
Europe - European sovereign states acting through national governments.
Should - “ought to” or “it is desirable that” due to a moral or policy obligation.
Substantially - a large, meaningful, non-trivial amount.
Reduce - to decrease in number, scale, rate, or inflow; for example, lowering the number of immigrants admitted from the defined category of countries through legal or administrative means.
Immigration - the movement of foreign nationals into a state for the purpose of permanent residence through lawful admission channels unless otherwise specified. This does not include tourism, studying, or seasonal work.
Developing Countries - countries generally characterized by lower levels of industrialization, income, and human development relative to advanced economies. For the sake of brevity, this includes Sub-Saharan Africa, MENA, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Latin America, and the Caribbean.
Deport - to formally remove a non-citizen from a state's territory under legal authority because that person lacks lawful permission to remain.
Illegal Migrants - non-citizens who are present in a country without legal authorization under that country’s immigration laws.

BURDEN OF PROOF
I have the burden of proof.

ACCEPTANCE
By accepting this debate, you accept the rules, definitions, and burden of proof.

Round 1
Pro
#1



Scope of the Problem
More 3rd world immigrants have come to Europe in the past 11 years than in the rest of its history combined:
4.4 million illegal migrants in 32 countries in Europe. [https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/11/13/eu-unauthorized-immigrants-methodology]. One of 12 excluded countries is Russia with 740,000 illegal migrants.[https://crimea.ria.ru/20241030/chislo-nelegalnykh-migrantov-v-rossii-vyroslo-na-40-s-nachala-goda-1141474600.html].
Grand total ~55 million 3rd worlders. This doesn’t include 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants’ children, which are also a problem.

3rd World Migrants Make Europe Less Safe
Violence
Sweden, once considered a peaceful utopia, brought in one of the highest per capita rates of asylum seekers and migrants from 3rd world countries in Europe. The result has been catastrophic: one of the largest spikes in violent crime in the Western world.
Sweden hasn’t just seen the rise of violence like assaults; it’s seen widespread gang shootings (391 shootings in 2022), bombings (189 bombings in 2025), and public executions, usually stemming from rival immigrant criminal networks. [https://polisen.se/siteassets/dokument/polisens-arsredovisning/polismyndighetens-arsredovisning-2022.pdf]
Among countries not at war, Sweden has had more bombings than anywhere on earth except Mexico, which is a narcostate. [https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/only-mexico-has-more-bombing-crimes-than-sweden]
Violence destabilizes society and

Rape
Rape (forced sexual intercourse) is horrifically traumatic for women, causing PTSD, depression, anxiety, substance use, and suicide. It also creates sexual and relationship dysfunction, which contributes to the birth rate issue in Europe.
Across Europe from 2013-2023, rape increased by 141%, more than double. This coincides with the largest increase in mass immigration in European history. [https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Crime_statistics#The_number_of_sexual_violence_offences_increased_during_2013-2023]
In 2024 alone in Sweden, there were 10,167 reported rapes. “63% of those convicted of rape in Sweden are foreign-born or the children of immigrants.” This has turned it into a rape capital of the world. [https://spectator.org/how-swedens-demographic-winter-turned-it-into-europes-rape-capital/]
Gang Rape is rape with two or more offenders is an even more extreme and heinous crime. Between the 1980’s and 2020’s in the UK, Pakistani men would target vulnerable girls (mostly white British aged 11-16) and eventually gang rape and human traffic them. 4,000 children were victimized in this. [https://news.sky.com/story/grooming-gangs-scandal-timeline-what-happened-what-inquiries-there-were-and-how-starmer-was-involved-after-elon-musks-accusations-13285021]
Both legal and illegal immigration must be substantially reduced to protect European women and girls.

Terrorism
When you combine Islam with the high volume of migrants entering Europe and you have a recipe for disaster. Terrorism in Europe has increased in parallel with muslim immigration. In 2015 The Islamic State, among other groups, exploited the chaos of migrant flows to send jihadists to commit terror attacks. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe]
France has suffered from numerous terrorist attacks from migrant communities. French Interior Ministry reports show that terrorist attacks increased by 340% between 2012 and 2022, with 78% of convicted terrorists being 1st or 2nd generation immigrants. In 2022, 67% of individuals arrested for terrorism-related offenses were foreign-born or had immigrant backgrounds. The number of terrorist attacks in France rose from 3 in 2012 to 14 in 2022, with migrant-related terrorism increasing by 520% in this period. [https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/french-foreign-policy/security-disarmament-and-non-proliferation/terrorism-france-s-international-action/]
The number of terrorist attacks in France rose from 3 in 2012 to 14 in 2022, with migrant-related terrorism increasing by 520% in this period.
Terrorism doesn’t just take life, it creates a cloud of anxiety for people attending public events and creates economic costs of protection in the future. Take the 2024 Magdeburg car attack at a Christmas market in Germany. A Saudi man killed 6 and injured 309. This is an awful thing to happen at a special time of the year; however, it’s even worse because now in order to protect Germans against more attacks, the government (and taxpayers) have to spend millions of euros to protect their Christmas markets. Those markets that can’t afford the security costs may have to close down. Ending a centuries long tradition. [https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/germanys-christmas-markets-grapple-with-soaring-security-costs-2025-11-25/]

Do 2nd generation immigrants become less violent?
1st gen immigrants from developing countries aren’t the only ones making Europe less safe. These people have children, who end up becoming more violent. [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12115-019-00436-8]
An example is the November 2015 Paris Terrorist Attacks that killed 137 people and injured 416. Of the 10 attackers in it, all had 3rd world ancestry: Algeria, Morocco, Iraq. But the shocking part is that half were born in Belgium and France. [https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-the-hunt-for-the-paris-attackers-idUSKBN0TD1W1/]

3rd World Migrants Make Europe Dumber
53 Muslim countries are inbred, lowering IQ
The prevalence of cousin marriage in muslim societies has been an absolute disaster for their IQ. “Marriages between first cousins are allowed in Islam…Muslims have practiced marriages between first cousins in all countries since the time of the Prophet. [https://fiqh.islamonline.net/113406]
3rd World Immigrants Have Lower IQ, Which Reduces The IQ of Europe
Using the Lynn Becker 2019 study on IQ, we can see that the average of 1st world countries is  96.49 and the average of 3rd world countries is 65.86. Intelligence is a fundamental driver of economic success. [IQ and the Wealth of Nations, Lynn and Vanhanen]
The more people from low-IQ countries come to Europe, the lower the average IQ will be, slowing economic progress and innovation.

3rd World Migrants Make Europe Poorer
Strain on Government Welfare Programs
Government programs include housing, public services, welfare / benefits, food stamps, education, and healthcare.
The lower the IQ, the harder it is to learn a second language, assimilate, and contribute to society and the economy.
An example is Somali immigrants that have an average IQ of 67. Even though they have migrated to countries with enormous resources and empathy like Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Finland, they have been a near total failure of economic integration. Around 70-80% of Somalis in each of these countries are on government welfare. [https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/topics/policy-issues/migration/Sii2025 Nordic countries (ENG)--v2.pdf]

3rd World Migrants Disrupt Local Culture
Dissimilar Values. Their cultural values conflict with those of European society.
Parallel societies erode social cohesion. Segregated communities that interact only weakly with the broader society and maintain separate norms or institutions. E.g. France with Africans.

Stronger Deportation of Illegal 3rd World Migrants Must Occur
Across Europe only 20% of those ordered to leave do so.
“Every year, over 400,000 foreign nationals without the right to stay in the EU are ordered to leave. However, only around 20% of them are effectively returned.” [https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asylum/irregular-migration-and-return/effective-firm-and-fair-eu-return-and-readmission-policy_en]
This necessitates stronger action to be taken for forced returns of non-cooperating illegal migrants.

Europe Does Not Need 3rd Worlders
Here is a short list of what Europeans have created and achieved without 3rd worlders: 70% of inventions, The Enlightenment, The Scientific Revolution, The Industrial Revolution, Modern Medicine, most sports and instruments, democracy, universal human rights, environmental protection, contracts, capitalism and free markets, philosophy, conquered or colonized 93% of the world, and even the idea of debate that we are engaging in right now is a European concept.
Europe does not need 3rd worlders, as it has accomplished supreme achievements without them. And it is in the interest of the rest of the world that Europeans are left alone to be the engine of progress for the world, so all can benefit.





Con
#2
You presents a large number of statistics and examples, but their argument has several major logical and factual problems.
First, they repeatedly assume that immigration causes crime without actually proving that relationship. For example, they claim rape increased by 141% in Europe and imply immigration is responsible. However, crime statistics experts often explain that increases in reported rape can result from changes in reporting practices, broader legal definitions, and greater willingness of victims to come forward. Simply showing two trends happening at the same time does not prove one caused the other. Your argument relies on correlation rather than causation.
Second, your examples rely heavily on a small number of countries, especially Sweden. Europe is made up of dozens of different countries with very different immigration outcomes. Looking at one country and treating it as representative of an entire continent is a clear case of cherry-picking evidence. In many other European countries immigrants contribute positively to the workforce and society. For example, healthcare systems across Europe rely heavily on immigrant doctors and nurses, showing that immigration can strengthen rather than weaken national systems.
Third, your economic argument ignores the demographic reality facing Europe. Many European countries have extremely low birth rates and aging populations. Without immigration, their workforces shrink while the number of retirees grows. This puts enormous pressure on pension systems and economic productivity. Immigration helps fill labor shortages and support economic growth, which contradicts your claim that immigrants make Europe poorer.
Fourth, the IQ argument you cite is highly controversial and widely criticized in academic research. Intelligence is influenced by education, health, nutrition, and environment, not simply national origin. Using disputed IQ averages to justify immigration policy is not a reliable or scientifically accepted approach.
Fifth, your cultural argument assumes that immigration automatically destroys culture. History shows the opposite. European culture has developed through centuries of interaction, trade, and exchange with other societies. Cultural diversity does not automatically lead to social collapse, and many major European cities function successfully as multicultural societies.
Finally, you argue for stronger deportation policies for illegal migrants. However, large-scale deportations are extremely expensive and difficult to carry out in practice. Governments must follow international law, human rights agreements, and diplomatic negotiations with other countries. Because of these constraints, mass deportation is not a simple or practical solution.
Overall, your argument relies heavily on selective examples, questionable scientific claims, and assumptions about causation that are not demonstrated. Because of these weaknesses, your case does not successfully prove that Europe should substantially reduce immigration from developing countries.

-tomm

Round 2
Pro
#3
Thanks for the very prompt rebuttal, Con.
URGENT ISSUES
Con did not make a negative constructive case in Round 1. He made a rebuttal. This violates the round structure.
The round structure for this debate is:(1) Main Argument(2) Rebuttal to opponent's main argument. No new arguments.(3) Evaluation of main arguments and rebuttals + voting issues (one paragraph). No new arguments.
Con did not build a negative constructive case; he went straight into the rebuttal. Con should have made a case for why the resolution should be rejected, but he didn’t.
Cons Round 1 Rebuttal is 100% AI-Generated, Which Means He Forfeits That Round  (Rule 5)
GPTZero, an “AI detection software developed to identify artificially generated text,” determined that Con’s last round is 100% AI. [https://app.gptzero.me/documents/204bef96-e87f-4632-8a3f-c95201f8646e]
According to ChatGPT, Cons Round 1 Rebuttal was AI. [https://chatgpt.com/share/69b173c9-7960-8003-8145-ac724abe247f]
Since Con’s 100% AI round violates rule 5, the punishment is that round is forfeited. So I’d urge the voters to disregard Cons Round 1, because it is entirely AI.
Con cited no sources
Rule 2 of this debate is to “Place your sources for factual claims inside the round where they are made.” Con made a lot of factual claims, but failed to cite a single source.
Responding to Cons Rebuttal
Cons rebuttal rests on six main, AI-generated points:

CON CLAIMS MY EVIDENCE DOES NOT PROVE IMMIGRATION CAUSES MORE RAPE

He says, “increases in reported rape can result from changes in reporting practices, broader legal definitions, and greater willingness of victims to come forward.
Well, they could if we were talking about one country, but we’re not. These standards are adjusted on a per-country basis and cannot account for a Europe-wide, 44-country explosion in rape and sexual assault. Furthermore, in most European countries we also know ethnicities of the rapists. Here’s a short summary:
UK: Foreign nationals were 3.5 times more likely to be arrested for sex offenses. [https://www.gbnews.com/news/foreigners-arrested-sex-offences-compared-britons-new-analysis]
France: In 2023, 77% of solved street rape cases in Paris involved foreign nationals without French passports (28 of 36 apprehended perpetrators) [https://www.gbnews.com/news/world/france-migration-rape-cases-paris-foreigners]
Italy: Official police statistics of rape rates show that “Foreigners are over-represented in the defendants in Italy. While they make up 8% of the population, they represent a considerable share of offenses: 28% of homicides and attempted homicides. 41% of rapes. 49% of burglaries.” [https://marc-vanguard.com/status/1702336279923536018]Afghan and Pakistani nationals 15x more likely to rape than native Italians.North Africans 14x more likely to rapeSub-Saharan Africans 12x more likely to rape [https://marc-vanguard.com/status/1702336279923536018]
Finland: In 2023 crime data, police revealed that the rape rate was roughly 6x higher for Somalis, 10x higher for Iraqis, 12x higher for Afghans and Congolese, and 15x higher for Syrians compared to native Finns. [https://pxdata.stat.fi/PXWeb/pxweb/fi/StatFin/StatFin__rpk/statfin_rpk_pxt_13yy.px]
Denmark: Rape increased from 367 cases in 2013 before the migrant crisis to 2,147 in 2021. Convictions for rape are overwhelmingly committed by Middle Eastern and North African nationals. [https://www.statbank.dk/STRAF20]
Now that the link between mass immigration from the 3rd world and increased rape has been strengthened, let’s take a look at why they rape more.
Norway: Muslim migrants have to be taught western values like "Not raping someone," because 3/4 of all rapists are muslim. In this documentary, 3rd world men show a complete incompatibility with the western values of women’s rights. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKY600o3CXw]
Islam and Muslims are weird about sex. Islam permits the rape of wives, captives, and foreign women. There is no Quranic prohibition on coerced sex. Respecting women’s bodily integrity is not part of their culture. [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_Law]
Female genital mutilation is supported through hadith where Muhammad endorses the practice as "a preservation of honor for women.” Multiple schools of Islamic law mandate or recommend it; the Shafi'i school making it obligatory for both men and women. Classical scholars like Ibn Taymiyah describe its purpose as reducing female desire to prevent immorality. [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Female_Genital_Mutilation_in_Islamic_Law]

CON CLAIMS MY EXAMPLES ARE UNREPRESENTATIVE AND CHERRY-PICKED

This is false. I used both general trends and examples to support my case. It would be impossible in this debate to detail every country-to-country interaction between how immigrants and illegal migrants from 98 separate developing countries affect 44 European countries. That would be 4,312 separate interactions that I’d have to detail.
Also, I focused specifically on countries with the highest amount of mass immigration, because you can learn most from the extremes. If country A accepts 1 migrant and country B accepts 1 million migrants, you can observe statistical changes accurately more in country B. This actually proves my point even more: countries with the most 3rd world immigration have the worst problems.

CON CLAIMS IMMIGRATION CAN PROVIDE ECONOMIC BENEFITS FOR A SHRINKING WORKFORCE

This is the “some benefit” fallacy. It can be used to justify anything imaginable. There is “some benefit” to scrolling TikTok for 12 hours a day: entertainment, fun facts. However, the costs of losing your attention span, damaging your sleep, impairing your memory, eye and wrist strain, executive dysfunction, and opportunity cost mean that the net good is negative, not positive.

So while mass immigration can create “some economic benefit,” it is simply not worth it at the expense of increased rape, violence, theft, cultural degradation, social unrest, gang violence, legal system strain, housing pressure, loss of national identity, loss of social cohesion, and terrorism.

CON CLAIMS MY IQ EVIDENCE IS CONTROVERSIAL

Maybe 20 years ago it was controversial. It’s not controversial at all today. The most charitable research I could find shows that africans an average IQ of 82. That’s 1 standard deviation below European averages. [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289609000634]


CON CLAIMS CULTURAL CHANGE IS NOT THE SAME AS CULTURAL DESTRUCTION

Take London for example: 100% British for around six thousand years, now it’s 36% White British (many not even ethnically British, just British nationalist by other ethnicities like white Polish). “In boroughs like Newham, Brent, and Tower Hamlets, White Britons make up under 20 percent.” The British have become a minority in their own capital city that they’ve built. It’s a disgrace. This is not only cultural replacement and cultural destruction, it is ethnic destruction. There are migrant knife attacks all over London and grooming gangs. Fucking horrible. [https://adaakpala.substack.com/p/london-is-now-a-third-white-british]
He also says, “Many major European cities function successfully as multicultural societies.”
This claim has no warrant, no examples, and no sources. It should be dismissed. A YouGov poll from 2025 found that 71.4% felt that immigration was too high. [https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/51684-eurotrack-publics-across-western-europe-are-unhappy-with-immigration] Is that what you consider “successful multicultural societies?” Societies where the people don’t want multiculturalism at all, because it has failed?

CON CLAIMS DEPORTATION AT SCALE IS EXPENSIVE AND HARD TO IMPLEMENT

That claim is irrelevant, because the debate we’re having is if Europe should deport illegal migrants. Should is defined as “ought to” or “it is desirable that” due to a moral or policy obligation. Because European countries are duty-bound to protect their nations and their posterity, it follows that they should. Deportation is costs money, but it saves tremendously more by reducing costs associated with feeding, housing, and policing unproductive migrants. It’s estimated with the same costs that Germany (1 country) spends on protecting their Christmas markets (€100’s of billions), you could fund the deportation effort for all of Europe.
He says that deportation is not a practical solution. Uh… What? People who shouldn’t be in Europe are asked to leave and they don’t. The literal only solution is physical removal, which would in legal terms be deportation. That is the practical solution.

Closing

Bizarre argumentation from Con, but it’s understandable why: it’s all AI. Nonetheless, I responded anyway.



Con
#4
Hey, that's a good argument, but I think a few points need clarification.
Round structure & AI accusation: I understand the concerns about debate structure and AI usage, but let’s focus on the arguments themselves. Even if Round 1 wasn’t a full constructive case, the points I raised about immigration’s effects are still relevant for discussion.
Crime & rape statistics: You mentioned that higher reported rape could be due to changes in reporting practices. That might explain some variation, but it doesn’t fully account for the Europe-wide trends across 44 countries. In multiple countries, data show foreign nationals are disproportionately represented in sexual offenses:
  • UK: Foreign nationals are 3.5× more likely to be arrested for sex offenses.
  • France (2023): 77% of solved street rape cases in Paris involved foreign nationals.
  • Italy: Foreigners (8% of population) accounted for 41% of rapes.
  • Finland & Denmark: Rape rates significantly higher among certain migrant groups.
These aren’t isolated incidents—they’re patterns that warrant attention.
Cultural and social effects: You argue immigration doesn’t destroy culture, but examples like London show significant demographic changes. Boroughs like Newham, Brent, and Tower Hamlets now have White Britons under 20% of the population. Many citizens feel cultural displacement, as reflected in surveys where over 70% say immigration is too high. Multicultural coexistence is ideal, but in practice, many locals feel their social cohesion and identity are under pressure.
Economic arguments: Sure, immigrants contribute to labor, but “some benefit” doesn’t mean net benefit. When evaluating immigration policies, we have to weigh economic contribution against social costs: increased crime, strain on housing, legal systems, and public services.
IQ & societal trends: The research I referenced indicates differences in average IQ among populations, which can affect integration, educational outcomes, and workforce performance. While controversial in some circles, these patterns are part of a broader social context policymakers consider.
Deportation practicality: Even if it costs money, countries have a duty to maintain law, order, and social stability. Asking people to leave illegally isn’t theoretical—it’s the actionable step governments are morally obliged to enforce to protect citizens and future generations.
In short, the points I raised aren’t just abstract—they reflect real-world patterns across multiple countries. Immigration from developing regions can have serious social, cultural, and economic implications, which is why careful regulation, including deportation of illegal migrants, should be on the table.

Keep the good work bud-
-tomm

Round 3
Pro
#5
Thanks for posting your argument.

Cons Round 1 and 2 have been 100% AI
Rule number 5 states: "(5) Debaters must use their own writing. Writing will be tested with gptzero. If your text in a round is 10% or more AI, you forfeit that round."
That means he forfeits Round 2 as well.

Every Argument in Con's Round 2 Supports the Resolution, Instead of Negating It

RE: AI accusation
Con says, "I understand the concerns about...AI usage, but let’s focus on the arguments themselves."
Here con tacitly admits he was using 100% AI.

RE: Crime & rape statistics. Con argues for the pro side!
He reiterates the crime stats I gave which show that foreign nationals  "are disproportionately represented in sexual offenses." And lists them from UK, France, Italy, Finland, and Denmark. He concludes, "These aren’t isolated incidents—they’re patterns that warrant attention."

RE: Economic arguments. Con argues for the pro side!
Con reiterates my point that "'some benefit' doesn’t mean net benefit." And mentions the problems legal and illegal 3rd worlders have created for housing, legal, and public services.

RE: IQ & societal trends. Con drops arguments
He admits that IQ "can affect integration, educational outcomes, and workplace performance." A 180° turnaround from his previous stance. He also admits that it's only "controversial in some circles." And that "these patterns are part of a broader social context policymakers consider." 

RE: Deportation practicality. Con argues vehemently for the pro side!
Con says, "Asking people to leave illegally isn’t theoretical—it’s the actionable step governments are morally obliged to enforce to protect citizens and future generations."

He concludes by saying, "deportation of illegal migrants should be on the table."
This is a complete destruction of Con's side... by Con. I guess he agrees and supports the resolution that: 
Europe should substantially reduce immigration from developing countries and deport migrants residing illegally within its borders.
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-- EVALUATION --
Con violated rule 2, which requires sourcing for factual claims within each round.
Con violated rule 5, which means he forfeits both of his previous rounds.
Con did now have an answer for my point that modern research still supports a substantial gap in IQ between Europeans and Africans.
Con did not rebut my argument of net benefit vs. some benefit.
Con did not answer my polling evidence that shows that multicultural cities are not functioning successfully, because an overwhelming majority of Europeans want these foreigners out.
Con initially said that deportation wasn't practical; I demonstrated it was the most practical solution, and then con admitted last round that, "
deportation of illegal migrants should be on the table."

In Con's 2nd round he conceded and repeated all of my arguments (the migrant-rape connection, cultural displacement, and economic and social costs), essentially agreeing that the Pro side is correct.

Voting Issues
Vote Pro because I had cited sources, formatted my debate properly, and had stronger arguments, which con ultimately restated and agreed with.

Con
#6
Forfeited