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As A Christian Conservative, I assume your values align with well-known politicians such as President Trump, etc. Now while this may be done out of your religious beliefs, I for one don't see how an individual could in anyway see certain politicians as doers of Christ's work. Jesus, a man known for his message of peace and harmony, taught those to love one another, give your check to those who hurt, and pray for your persecutors. He asked his Father to forgive his adversaries at his hour of death and acknowledged that they weren't aware of the seriousness of their actions. People like Trump, Hegseth, etc. all pride on the idea of destroying the enemy, and hunting savages to the ends of the earth. In what do their actions imitate Christ? Those politicians aim to picture themselves as followers of God's word. In what way does hatred, vengeance, and unjust treatment of those wishing a better life in way liken to being humble, loving, and caring towards your neighbor?

I respect your values and know all you do is done out of love for God. But why must that zeal blind you from the hypocrisy displayed by these politicians? 

In revelation 19:11 it talks about how Jesus will take justice with war. So Jesus yes is the prince of peace, but there are numerous Bible verses in Ecclesiastes. Psalms, Exodus, etc, that talks about war in a good way of defending your faith. Though I would not say that these people are declaring war in the name of Jesus. It’s definitely more political and strategical. As I do not vote for people based on religion but on morals and initiative. Though religion can help shape my morals.

Its true that Revelation 19:11 states how Jesus does wage war. But on whom? Evil. St. Paul writes how our battle is against spiritual forces (not physical), who must be fought with prayer and the word of God. With the ongoing war, many choose to believe this as fulfilment of the end of times (in other words, the defeat of the Prince of Persia). But how does one's political move in away push toward peace or following Biblical teachings? The morals most Republican politicians' pride on is justice, prudence, and care. But in no way does wrongful deportation, inhuman strikes, or scaring people in the name of 'security' a good way to obey God.

Jesus stated to do unto others as you would have them do onto to you. How would you feel in you were forcefully deported in the name of seeking a better life? How would feel if you were caught in a war, you have no part in. Such actions, as well as others such as associating with people known to practice 'non-righteous' actions, all display how hypocritical politicians can be at times. 

Well we can debate immigration and wars in separate debates but I was under the impression this one is about the people specifically, so we are just going to have to agree to disagree in this debate on the right vs wrong. But to respond in the way I presume you want to hear, politicians In the USA are not voted for their religion but for their work initiative, policies, etc. When they act they are acting primarily for the people as the constitution says. They can reflect Christ with what they do but they are not doing what they do for Christ (though thus definitely can be wrong in some cases, it just would be in a separate debate on the morals of operation epic fury, ice, etc.

Sorry about that. I was trying to emphasize how the actions of politicians contradict Christian values. Certain officials tend to pride off on doing what's right, or being holy, yet their actions and statements aren't. Trump, a person known to parade his religion, swore once during an interview (something not taken lightly in the Bible as said in Colossians 3:8). Not only that, but he tends to surround himself with people who are known to not necessarily follow the values of Christ.

Yes, Jesus did associate with sinners, but in order to help them. So far, the people Trump associated don't seem to change. Yes, change does take time, but you can see Trump's alliances are done in the name of gaining recognition and support. For example, he benefits from friending rap moguls, including ones who've been charged for horrendous actions, in order to gain support from their fanbases. He benefits from aligning with billionaires, who've been known to either commit terrible actions or just act in bizarre ways, as he's provided with millions in funding. Trump gives all them status; Those guys give Trump support and the help he needs.

So yes, you're right 2 say that a politician's role is to serve their people. But once someone decides to place religion as a motive for their actions, a heavy burden is placed on them, as they must uphold the values which the proudly claim to observe. Politicians, such as Trump, have decided to lay that load down, by doing things which go against the things they seem to discuss. While they may be do so for the betterment of their country, they're actually exposing their image.

Well then it looks like we agree that trump isn’t leading for religion but for country.

But we will just have o disagree that his actions don’t reflect Christ.

I’d be willing to debate these topics as well however

Ok I think it's best to argue how his actions don't reflect Christ.

We both agree that Trump's actions are done out of service for his fellow-countrymen. But it's also key to note how his political moves also pose as a step away from Jesus' teachings. For example, the words he's been known to use. In the Bible, profanity is strongly condemned, as it not only degrades others but also promotes evil. Last year, Trump gained traction for stating a bad word during an interview. Though he may have done it without thinking, this isn't the first time Trump has used such words, as in a Comedy Central episode he includes profanity in his sketch. Along with words, he also contrasts the teachings of Christ through his attitude. Having done quite a lot of 'damage' in the eyes of some, Trump has been known to be enemies with a lot of people. Because of this, he has reportedly said quite a couple of things, including describing his great hate for his adversaries. This is quite wrong in the eyes of Christ, as he taught people to love their enemies, and pray for those who persecute you. Insulting your opponent or constantly degrading the opposition does in no way represent the man who said nothing when others beat and ridiculed him.

I would say yes Jesus would not advocate for profanity. I’d argue that there isn’t a verse taking negative about profanity specifically, maybe about fowl language as in hurtful but it still doesn’t reflect his character. But that’s the amazing thing is that we commit all of these minor sins, all of us. I swear at least once a week and I sure you’ve had at least one slip up, but he focuses on the picture of us being with him and not the little picture of all the picky things we do.

Also I still disagree that while yes Jesus said love your enemies. That doesn’t mean we won’t go to war or dislike them. As a Presbyterian, yes I disagree with the lifestyle of lgbtq. Does that mean I hate them? No! I still love them all with dearing. If this is applied with war the we’d have no war. The allies wouldn’t have tried to stop hitler and save lives, the north wouldn’t have fought for the slaves freedom, etc. with operation epic fury we are saving a people from an oppressive regime terrorist government that mass genocided 30k protesters at the same time

You're right to point out that war is at times necessary to deliver peace. But at what cost? Trump claims that he's deposing the regime in Venezuela to deliver justice to thousands. Truth be told, that's just a fabrication, as Trump's government is the same one aligning with PM Modi whose party supports mass persecution against Muslims and Christians (the same Trump who called for a stop to the persecution of Christians in Nigeria). Trump's party aligned with Russia, whose been to silently kill political activists wherever they are in the world. Venezuela is a country with a huge supply of oil. Trump himself once said the mission's success will grant America a lot of oil. If he was truly interested in deposing Maduro's regime, why couldn't they instate a new government? Maduro's own vice-president is still in charge, and she probably hold the same values as her former boss. 

Nearly twenty-five years ago, a tragic event took place when two airplanes crashed into the Twin Towers. President Bush vowed to hunt the terrorists to end of the earth. But did he kill Bin Laden during his presidency? Did he send any troops or soldiers to hunt him down in Pakistan? Not really. Along with taking down the Taliban, Bush's main focus was to take down the Hussein dictatorship (the same dictatorship which was supported BY the US in the late 80s). Why? In an effort to gain their oil reserves, under the implication they were destroying a large-mass nuclear program, which actually didn't exist. Trump's action embodies those of former President Bush, as they both the idea of 'delivering justice' to a nation, when in reality they have another agenda. Trump is only interested in Venezuela's oil; if he was truly interested in delivering justice, why he would allow the Taliban to control Afghanistan? The same organization which publicly beheaded people, and could start attacking American bases?