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1500
rating
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debates
50.0%
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Topic
#6733

Trump is a great president

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Finished

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It's a tie!
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Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
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3,500
Voting period
One month
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1500
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2
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Round 1
Pro
#1
Many people claim that Trump does not care for the American people. I find this false for numerous reasons.
Before we start I AM NOT DEBATING HIS CHARACTER BUT RATHER HIS ACTIONS AS PRESIDENT.
Of course he shut down the border, to start. Illegal immigrants often bring drugs, violence, and gangs with them. This is not all of them and i acknowledge that fact. But it is still necessary to not let them in undocumented which makes them untraceable. It does not matter that they come from a tough place where they come from, if that applied to everybody, we would be overrun with population density, poorer quality of life, etc. It is not as if we aren’t letting anybody seek refuge, because we still have legal ways to do it that people wait patiently for, if you cut in line, you break the law, if you break the law, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL.
His foreign affairs handling as been on a good track record. Including main examples of Iran and Venezuela. With Venezuela, people frequently critique home because it was not for getting rid of the gangs, but for the oil. I do not deny that is the main reason, in fact, i agree with it. It is not a bad thing however, because Venezuela supplies oil to superpowers, mostly Russia. This oil DIRECTLY goes to Russia for the Ukraine war, so stopping oil supplies without greater conflict from Russia is a huge benefit to weaken their country in any way to help the Ukrainian people, which i hope we can both agree is a good cause. Iran has many points but i will mainly focus on stopping nuclear capabilities. Iran was shown to buy highly enriched uranium which is only used for nuclear weapons, not reactors. Which obviously poses an unstable threat to American homeland security.
If their are any other points to why he’s a bad president, please include them in your arguments, thank you! 
Con
#2
the biggest threat to American homeland security is American foreign policy. a lot of the immigrants are coming from the places that American terror campaigns have destabilised and destroyed.

the Somalis that came and did their day care fraud were just mimicking trump. they might have thought this is the most famous man in the world and the leader of the USA, and he made his money in large part by finding corrupt people in govt and getting govt money for his thousand foot eyesores.  he did this even before he was president: taking money that was earmarked for low income housing and using it for luxury housing that only the super elites could afford.

Iran had a fatwa against nukes, not cos they're moral and kind, but because they didn't want to be on the us's hit list. they didn't have weapons grade nuke material when the war started and weren't close to weapons grade enrichment. it was far more enriched that you need for just energy, but they were under no obligation to stick to just 3% since trump tore up the iran nuke deal in his first term. their continuation of lower than weapons grade uranium was because they wanted to show that they can do it, so the usa would give them a new nuke deal that protected iran from the instability of being attacked by israel or the us on the pretext of 'they're close to nukes so we have to put them down.'

trump did the tariffs which raised prices for us citizens,  and pissed of other powerful countries including allies and possible allies. this has given an edge to china as countries in that region find them more reasonable to deal with. it's also destabilizing the dollar which has cascading negative consequences for the world economy.

Venezuela was a sovereign country, and launching an attack against it and stealing it's leader woudl be grounds for a war, if Venezuela was capable of fighting back. 

just like bush, obama, biden etc trump's war crimes has increased anti-American sentiment around the world, endangering Americans who work or travel in the countries that the us damages through military actions and economic sanctions.


Round 2
Pro
#3
Your  arguments depend on significant logical errors and unsupported claims that do not demonstrate how American foreign policy harms domestic security. By using a personal attack to blame day-care fraud on Trump and making a broad generalization about migration patterns, you replace anti-American language with real data. In reality, forward-deployed defense and strategic sanctions serve as an important deterrent against hostile regimes, while targeted tariffs protect local markets from harmful foreign competition. To make this argument credible, the opposition must provide official IAEA timelines that prove Iran’s reasons for enrichment, clear global polling that shows US policy clearly increases violence against tourists, and IMF data that isolates the tariff's effect on the dollar. Without this evidence, the claim falls apart into a series of mistakes that overlook how global stability depends directly on American leadership and responsibility.
Con
#4
based on the difference in style between your opening and your counter, i think i should at least know the name of the ai that I'm now debating with, but that's more of a formality.

as to your actual argument - what is it? you just said i didn't give you data so you disagree.

do you think all the death to America stuff that Iranians shout is cos 'they hate our freedom'?
the u.s. installed a leader in iran in 53, so they could get Iranian oil. iran rebelled against this control and it was a super extremist regime that took power, rejecting us control and then using their power to oppress their own  people, as most govts do.

i didn't use a personal attack. i said maybe the Somalis were inspired by trump. he's super famous and has used legalized corruption throughout his life, to enrich himself and his cronies. there's a current investigation going on into who he's telling about the wars and attacks and ceasefires cos people are betting just minutes before he makes his announcements, then they make millions. during doge he gutted the consumer protection bureau that has refunded hundreds of millions of dollars that companies has scammed citizens out of.

strategic sanctions against iran were necessary cos they hated America for the reason i mentioned earlier. it's better to leave everyone alone and use diplomacy to curb threats wherever possible. the u.s. is uniquely able to do this given that their buying power, defensive nukes and distance from iran.

trump was in negotiations with iran this year and last, and both times he bombed them. how is that going to lead to a good result?
you need good faith on both sides. there are no countries that are so homicidal that they would choose to get a nuke and destroy their enemies because they would also be destroyed shortly thereafter. to say iran is uniquely evil would likely mean they were biologically different than regular humans and would mean there's no point in the jcpoa or negotiating with them last year or this year.

tariffs can be good if targeted, but when you place them on everything then they're not. he tried it in his first term and china didn't budge. the farmers needed massive bailouts (10B). this time, he did sweeping tariffs on all goods, which didn't help the average American, and those are the people that depend on the integrity of the govt the most.

trump thinks a trade deficit is a bad thing, rather than a neutral one and levied blanket 10% tariffs for other countries having the audacity to sell more  to the u.s, than they buy. 

he claims to be a great dealmaker, but he hasn't ended the ukraine war which is still costing the tax payer. he continues to fund israel, which  has a financial and moral cost to the tax payer.

aside from closing the border, i can't think of anything he's done that's pro-average citizen. can you?

rather than just disagreeing with me on a general basis, how about you list off a few things he's done that are good. or better yet, some that are great, since that was your claim.

Round 3
Pro
#5
You re correct in that statement, I cede.
Con
#6
that is so disappointing.

Round 4
Pro
#7
Yep, I’m just not feeling it in. Me to debate this rn
Con
#8
why did you leave another reply if you were done debating? 

if you don't reply then i will win by default and you already said i win. just don't respond again, then it's finished.
Round 5
Pro
#9
That’s not how this website works
Con
#10
Forfeited