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ghosts are real
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Look I understand what you are saying. You are talking about the amygdala. How fear helps us survive. Yes that is true. Our brains are wired to react to things that might hurt us. That is basic evolution.. You are using that to explain everything and that is a big leap. Just because our brains can mistake a shadow for something it does not mean that every time someone sees a ghost it is just their brain playing tricks on them.
You say there is no proof that ghosts exist. Okay let us look at that.. First can you tell me what you mean by death? You say it is when our bodies stop working. That sounds like a clock stopping.. There are many cases where that does not make sense. We have things like objects moving on their own audio recordings of voices and other things that cannot be explained by someone just being scared. If it is just our brains playing tricks on us why do people see the things when they talk about ghosts? Is it a coincidence that our brains are all seeing the same things? That sounds very unlikely.
I also think it is convenient to say that our brains are just messed up when we see something we cannot explain. That is a simple answer. It is like saying that if you see a plane in the sky you must be hallucinating because you do not understand how planes work. Just because we do not have a machine that can detect ghosts it does not mean that they are not real. A time ago people thought lightning was just a scary thing in the sky but then we figured out it was electricity. We just did not have the tools to understand it yet.
You are focused on how our brains react to fear. You are not thinking about what might be causing that fear. Why do ghosts seem to interact with the world around them? Why do people see things when they talk about ghosts? If it was just our brains playing tricks on us everyone would see something.. People see the same patterns over and over. That means there must be something outside of our brains that is causing it. Maybe it is some kind of energy. Echo that our brains are picking up on.
Saying that our brains are like machines is true. That does not mean that those machines are not getting signals from something we do not understand yet. You are thinking that if you can explain why someone sees something that means it is not real. That is a mistake. We need to be smarter, than that and think about all the possibilities. Ghosts might be real. Our brains might be reacting to something that we cannot see or touch. We just need to keep a mind and look for answers.
What is a ghost?
* In folklore, a ghost is the soul or spirit of a dead person or non-human animal that is believed by some people to be able to appear to the living.
Then why do many people ever feel/see the presence of ghosts?
* AMYGDALA
is a paired nuclear complex present in the cerebral hemispheres of vertebrates.
Amygdala function:
Fear is the main emotion that the amygdala is known to control. That’s why your amygdala is so important to survival.
Source: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/24894-amygdala
Then what does it have to do with ghosts?
Someone certainly knows about ghosts, and most of them consider it scary, because of that ghosts are stored in the brain as a threat.
When someone is in a dark and lonely place, that is where the amygdala functions. And if that person sees a foreign object with an unclear shape, the amygdala will consider it a threat, and because the place is dark and lonely, the amygdala will consider that object as a ghost.
Spirit?, there is no specific evidence that humans have a spirit, the human body works according to the laws of nature.
Death?
Death is the end of life. This is the irreversible cessation of biological functions that sustain living organisms; however, the identification of the moment of death presents certain difficulties.
And death is truly dead when the brain dies, not someone is already dead then wakes up and becomes a ghost.
Okay, listen, so, you know ghosts? Everybody's like, "Oh, that's just made up stuff for kids." But, like, honestly, if you really stop and think about the science behind it, it's not that far-fetched. Like, think about it. Energy, right? That thing that makes you, you, that electrical fire, synaptic fireworks, whatever you call it, it doesn't just, like, poof disappear, right? My science teacher always said, law of thermodynamics: energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed. So where does that human pattern, that data, where does it go? Maybe it just, like, persists. Maybe it's like a background radio static that we just haven't learned how to tune into yet.
It seems kind of arrogant to just, like, ignore all the stories, though, right? Like, thousands of years, cultures all over the world, people who don't even know each other, describing the same kind of creepy shadow thing or sudden cold spots. You really think all those people, everywhere, are just, like, having the same exact hallucination? That's way more "supernatural" to me than just saying, hey, maybe there are things out there that we can't see. We're humans, we've got these tiny little eyes that can only see this little sliver of the spectrum, they can't even see infrared or ultraviolet or whatever. We think we see the whole picture? That's like a blind guy arguing that colors don't exist because he's never felt them. It's insane.
I'm not saying there are, like, dudes in sheets floating around your room. Obviously not. But, like, an "unclassified physical phenomenon"? That sounds way more real. Like maybe some people are just, I don't know, more receptive to certain, like, environmental inputs? Think about dark matter. We know it's out there, we know it's everywhere, but we can't interact with it, we can't see it with any of our technology. So what if ghosts are just, like, dark matter biological imprints? Or like, residual echoes in the, like, quantum field? It sounds like some really out-there science fiction stuff, but when you look at it from the perspective of "we don't know everything," it actually makes a lot of sense.
And the skeptics, they're always like, "Oh, it was just the wind" or "Oh, the house was settling." Yeah, maybe 90% of the time that's totally true, I get that. Old houses creak. But what about the 10% that just, like, defies the laws of physics in that room? You can't just dismiss that as "oh, it was a coincidence." That's just, like, avoiding the real question. It's like in math when you have a variable you can't solve for, so you just put a zero there and hope it goes away. That's not science.
I feel like we're on the verge of, like, some massive discovery here and we're all too scared to look because it's "spooky." When did we stop being curious? If you see something weird, you investigate it. You don't hide under the covers and say it's not real. If I see some weird light in the sky, I don't just ignore it, I wanna know what it is. So why is this any different? It's not even about "ghosts" or "spirits" or, like, the afterlife in a religious way. It's just, like, a property of consciousness we don't understand yet. Maybe consciousness is like a radio wave, and the brain is just the receiver, and when the receiver breaks, the radio wave keeps on broadcasting out there in the ether.
I don't know man, it's just, like, everything's so much more complicated than we like to admit. We live in this tiny little bubble of what we call "reality," and we think we've got it all figured out, but we barely even know how gravity works, and we're acting like we know for a fact that there's nothing else out there? That's just, like, insanity to me. It's not about believing, it's about being an investigator. Being open-minded. If I'm wrong, fine, but show me proof that ghosts don't exist. Show me the experiment that proves away every ghost story in human history. You can't.
So yeah, maybe it's a glitch in the matrix, or a ripple in spacetime, or something, but I'm telling you, there's something going on that's, like, definitely real. You've got to be able to see past the stories to the underlying structure of the phenomenon. It's not about "ghosts," it's about the limits of our perception and the nature of energy. And if you think that's crazy, then you're just not seeing the big picture. Everybody's so caught up in the "spooky" that they're missing the actual science. It's sad, really. I think if we actually put some proper research into this-not just, like, ghost hunters with crappy cameras, but real, like, high-level physics-we might actually discover that we've been staring at the answer all along and just calling it "magic" because it was easier. It's crazy, right? Just think about that for a minute. We might be literally living in a sea of consciousness, and we're just too busy watching Netflix to notice. Anyway, that's my two cents. It's way more plausible than you think.