prescription medication is poison
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- the use or the administering of drugs
- poisoning
- sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
- metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry
the word pharmakon means
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most if not all prescription medication tons of side effects per pill and these side effects include thoughts to kill yourself puking blood yellow eyes and skin disturbing weight gain increased. i'm making the case that the side effects are poison
- Hives, itching, or skin rash
- inability to sit still
- restlessness
- Chills or fever
- joint or muscle pain
- Anxiety
- cold sweats
- confusion
- convulsions (seizures)
- cool pale skin
- diarrhea
- difficulty with concentration
- drowsiness
- dryness of the mouth
- excessive hunger
- fast or irregular heartbeat
- headache
- increased sweating
- increased thirst
- lack of energy
- mood or behavior changes
- overactive reflexes
- purple or red spots on the skin
- racing heartbeat
- shakiness or unsteady walk
- shivering or shaking
- talking, feeling, and acting with excitement and activity you cannot control
- trouble with breathing
- unusual or incomplete body or facial movements
- unusual tiredness or weakness
- Abdominal or stomach pain
- agitation
- back or leg pains
- bleeding gums
- blindness
- blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin
- bloating
- blood in the urine or stools
- bloody, black or tarry stools
- blue-yellow color blindness
- blurred vision
- chest pain or discomfort
- clay-colored stools
- constipation
- continuing vomiting
- cough or dry cough
- dark urine
- decreased urine output
- decreased vision
- depression
- difficulty with breathing
- difficulty with swallowing
- dizziness or lightheadedness
- eye pain
- fainting
- fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat or pulse
- general body swelling
- high fever
- hives, itching, puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
- hostility
- indigestion
- irregular or slow heart rate
- irritability
- large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs
- light-colored stools
- loss of appetite
- loss of bladder control
- muscle twitching
- nausea
- nightmares
- no blood pressure or pulse
- noisy breathing
- nosebleeds
- pain in the ankles or knees
- painful, red lumps under the skin, mostly on the legs
- pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
- pinpoint red spots on the skin
- rapid weight gain
- red or irritated eyes
- red skin lesions, often with a purple center
- redness, tenderness, itching, burning, or peeling of the skin
- severe muscle stiffness
- severe sleepiness
- slurred speech
- sore throat
- sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
- stopping of heart
- sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing
- sudden weakness in the arms or legs
- sudden, severe chest pain
- swelling of the face, ankles, or hands
- swollen or painful glands
- thoughts of killing oneself
- tightness in the chest
- tiredness
- twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs
- unconsciousness
- unpleasant breath odor
- unusual bleeding or bruising
- unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness
- unusually pale skin
- use of extreme physical or emotional force
- vomiting of blood
- yellow eyes or skin
- Decreased appetite
- Abnormal dreams
- breast enlargement or pain
- change in sense of taste
- changes in vision
- feeling of warmth or heat
- flushing or redness of the skin, especially on face and neck
- frequent urination
- hair loss
- increased appetite
- increased sensitivity of the skin to sunlight
- menstrual pain
- stomach cramps, gas, or pain
- unusual secretion of milk, in females
- weight loss
- yawning
- Cracks in the skin
- loss of heat from the body
- painful or prolonged erections of the penis
- scaly skin
- swelling of the breasts or breast soreness in both females and males
- unusual milk production
pharmakeai
the world health association uses a snake and staff as there symbol
why does a drug that helps with depression end up with a side effect that causes depression seems a little counter productive.. there 120+ side effects let that sink in.
opdivo has 110 before i lost count lol the guy reacting to the commercial amazed at 30
as you may know there can be as many 1 million children misdiagnosed with adhd each year that's a million children who have the potential to suffer from side effects from medication like thoughts of suicide. because lets be real here there almost all drugs cause thoughts of suicide. and the other insane amounts of side effects
ps there is no way to get rid of a misdiagnosis you are branded for life
pharmacuticals are the 4th leading cause of death each year
is it not a terrible coincidence that the word pharmaceutical was created off of the greek pharma words and which means poisoning with drugs and it just happens to be that pharmaceutical is the 4th leading cause of death
in fact over 100 thousands people die from taking there meds
and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs
pharma company started the opioid epidemic
look at the millions big pharma has given to politicians
here has been a resent call back of the diabetes medications farxiga and jardiance because the medicine caused flesh eating of the genitals and people and had there limbs amputated. if you or a loved one has taken farxiga and jardiance and had your foot and hands amputated or flesh eating of the genitals you may be entitled to a compensation.i mean this is truly a prescription nightmare flesh eating of the genitals what the hell is that
farxiga has been proven not to work and worked just as good as a placebofarxiga proven snake oil
fluoride in waterNazi Germany put fluoride in the drinking water of the Jews to make them more stupid and docile during ww2.conspiracy theorist then started claiming our us government is doing the same to us.this was proven true when the us government admitted they put fluoride in our water. but claim they put it in there to help with dental hygiene.
pharmaceutical drugs in waterwhy do i bring this up. in tap water they are putting pharmaceutical drugs in our water and lets be real its not to help us.
3 antibiotics were found in our waterChlortetracyclineChloramphenicolErythromycinthe side effects from these antibiotics alone should be enough to deter someone from putting these in the waterantibiotics cause osteoporosis so what if someone developed a hunch back because they are putting this in the water.
for the sake of space lets talk about only one of the side effects of these drugsAtenololthis drug only has a couple side effects which is surprising
Origin of pharmaceutical
here has been a resent call back of the diabetes medications farxiga and jardiance because the medicine caused flesh eating of the genitals and people and had there limbs amputated. if you or a loved one has taken farxiga and jardiance and had your foot and hands amputated or flesh eating of the genitals you may be entitled to a compensation.i mean this is truly a prescription nightmare flesh eating of the genitals what the hell is that
farxiga has been proven not to work and worked just as good as a placebofarxiga proven snake oil
the side effects from these antibiotics alone should be enough to deter someone from putting these in the waterantibiotics cause osteoporosis so what if someone developed a hunch back because they are putting this in the water.
as you may know there can be as many 1 million children misdiagnosed with adhd each year that's a million children who have the potential to suffer from side effects from medication like thoughts of suicide. because lets be real here there almost all drugs cause thoughts of suicide. and the other insane amounts of side effects
is it not a terrible coincidence that the word pharmaceutical was created off of the greek pharma words and which means poisoning with drugs and it just happens to be that pharmaceutical is the 4th leading cause of death
- Blurred vision or double vision
- continuous back-and-forth eye movements
im a herbalist i eat many strange plants most of these plants would interact with the medication from tap water. luckily i on my own well but still its pretty scary that i can die from just drinking water
and secondly pharmakeai and pharmakon do have meaning today we derive our pharma words from them. why would they do this.
etomology online dictionary says pharmacy came from pharmakeai
if you look at yourdictionary.COM you get under origins
and why would they put drugs in the water an 70 year old family member use to take atenolol so do you think it is safe to take other people medicine
since there no way that 25 medications would be put in the waters of America to help people it must be put in there to hurt people. i mean who puts estrogen from birth control pills in almost every well in America. how would the estrogen from birth control pills hep people. it can't thus it was put in there to hurt people
firstly if someone has low blood pressure this would be dangerous. secondly you cut off the side effects and then say the benefits out way the cost.
and me cherry picking trust me bud you do not want me to go into the other side effects of the 25 different drugs in the water supplyi can not list the side effects of 25 different drugs,
there are estrogen from birth control pills which have been linked to many cancers
alright big pharma doing illegal things caused the opioid epidemic. that is just as bad. and the system in place even if we put i a better system these people seem to have one thin on there mind money
firstly that link does work and its but one of many scandals.
fluoride is harmful. but this topic has become a mess
if it was so safe why did germany put it in the water of the jews. and why does puritywater.com sell filters to filter out fluridecon saidThe problem with this is that most of the side effects are listed as rare meaning it is not common or will happen to every single person who uses Fluoxetine.yes your are not bound to get all 120 side effects but you are bound to get a couple of them by the sheer amount of side effects there are.
firstly these side effects have noting to do with what they are treating. so i take an antibiotic to kill germs and somehow my spine bends that has nothing to do with the disease im treating. that's like if i washed my hands with soap and the soap caused the bones in my feat to crack.
i said there could be as many. which means there are almost 1 million possible misdiagnosis of adhd. do you now how many children use i can not pay attention in class as an excuse. and the dumb parents and teacher solution is to drug them up
no im saying if you look under the origins of a word it will show you that the word pharmaceutical was derived from pharmakon and pharmakon means poisioning with drugs and pharmaceutical just happens to be the number 4 killer in America
this is talking about people dieing from a disease while big pharma is treating them. what i was saying the number 4thh reason people die is because of pharmaceutical not from a disease while there treating them them.
con said the link did not work. ok hereyou go prescription drugs more dangerouse than illegal ones
i can not list all 25 since that would take forever but because you insist
Pro forfeits one round, and offers a huge wall of text with a massive gish Gallup of claims that cannot all be addressed by con no matter how good he was.
As a result: Conduct to con.
The wall of text approach from pro is so absurd and so antithetical to debate, its hard for me to really render a cohesive verdict on every point he makes.
My interpretation of the resolution and how a reasonable person would view it, is that prescription medication is not just potentially harmful (which is trivial), but the harm is a primary usage and characteristic.
Pro focuses on side effects, that medication can kill, that the word itself has connotations of poison - but at no point attempts to present any argument that the primary characteristic and usage of medication is to cause harm.
Con nails pro to the wall by pointing out the cherry picking pro does by fixating only on specific cases, by pointing out that side effects do not always occur, and they simply may.
He argues that definition of the old word upon which pharmaceutical is based does not make it poison, nor does the companies being corrupt, and a few others. Con goes through the primary claims very well, and with far more patience then I would have expected.
Pros response was another wall of text. So badly formatted it was hard to determine where his additional claims start and rebuttals begin.
Pro offers little or no argument about the rarity of side effects, that drugs are not the top 4 causes of death (other than to clairfy), that pharma corruption is just as bad as pharm being poison - which may be true, but is irrelevant to the resolution. And to reiterate his issue with side effects.
Cons final argument round points this all out, that pros position is a collection of anecdotes, that being potentially harmful in some cases doesn’t mean it’s poison, and reiterating his case about side effects.
As a result, despite the near indecipherable mess that was pros argument - con clearly casts sufficient doubt on the resolution, and clearly refuted the bulk of claims.
Arguments to con.
All other points tied.
Pro forfeits one round, and offers a huge wall of text with a massive gish Gallup of claims that cannot all be addressed by con no matter how good he was.
As a result: Conduct to con.
The wall of text approach from pro is so absurd and so antithetical to debate, its hard for me to really render a cohesive verdict on every point he makes.
My interpretation of the resolution and how a reasonable person would view it, is that prescription medication is not just potentially harmful (which is trivial), but the harm is a primary usage and characteristic.
Pro focuses on side effects, that medication can kill, that the word itself has connotations of poison - but at no point attempts to present any argument that the primary characteristic and usage of medication is to cause harm.
Con nails pro to the wall by pointing out the cherry picking pro does by fixating only on specific cases, by pointing out that side effects do not always occur, and they simply may.
He argues that definition of the old word upon which pharmaceutical is based does not make it poison, nor does the companies being corrupt, and a few others. Con goes through the primary claims very well, and with far more patience then I would have expected.
Pros response was another wall of text. So badly formatted it was hard to determine where his additional claims start and rebuttals begin.
Pro offers little or no argument about the rarity of side effects, that drugs are not the top 4 causes of death (other than to clairfy), that pharma corruption is just as bad as pharm being poison - which may be true, but is irrelevant to the resolution. And to reiterate his issue with side effects.
Cons final argument round points this all out, that pros position is a collection of anecdotes, that being potentially harmful in some cases doesn’t mean it’s poison, and reiterating his case about side effects.
As a result, despite the near indecipherable mess that was pros argument - con clearly casts sufficient doubt on the resolution, and clearly refuted the bulk of claims.
Arguments to con.
All other points tied.
Pro's thesis is generally accepted, verging on tautological. All pills are poison beyond some determinable dose. Pro ought to be able to lay down a few solid proofs and win the day but Pro's argument is too schizophrenic to persuade.
Pro argues:
1. Medicine is evil sorcery. (warranted only be one possible translation of ancient Greek)
2. Drugs have many side effects, over-warranted by long lists, more than 100 side effects in the first set with many repetitions and eccentric numbering. Pro's penchant for overlisting impairs this debates readability overall.
3. Perhaps 20% of ADHD children are misdiagnosed according to one study. This is Pro's most dependable sourcing but the fact is never linked to support for thesis. Pro states that 1 million children each year but that's not in the source and obviously false.
4. Pharmaceuticals (Pro desperately needs to define this term, drugs, poison, etc.) are the 4th leading cause of death in the US. This is false- perhaps Pro meant 4th leading means of suicide?
5. Over 100,000 people die from prescription drugs (over all? not a very impressive statistic. Annually? False. Total 2017 US deaths by legal and illegal drugs is 70,237.
6. Prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs. False, most injury due to prescription drugs come from unprescribed (therefore illegal) use.
7 The US Govt. puts fluoride in water to make Americans stupid and docile. Not linked to thesis. Not warranted. The US Govt does endorse fluoridation but almost all american tap water is managed locally. Fluoride in bottled water is not regulated but most bottled water originates from public sources.
8. "They" put pharmaceutical drugs in tap water. Another long list of drugs and side effects.
9. Drugs in water can cause us to stop breathing (unwarranted)
10. Drugs in water can cause paranoia, psychosis (unwarranted unless this debate is meant to serve as evidence).
Con effectively points out false data, unwarranted claims, failed links to thesis. I think Con would have been better off talking about dosing (he does a little with fluoride) and pushing BoP at Pro. Most substances are poisonous beyond some limit when ingested, most substances are quite safe below some determinable limit. Most of this debate is meaningless without essential quantification.
R2 is less fathomable. Quotes from R1 are not well delineated from other text. Pro doubles down on false mortality claims without evidence. The weakness of Con's reasoning and evidence is frequently reinforced:
" i eat many strange plants most of these plants would interact with the medication from tap water."
"since there no way that 25 medications would be put in the waters of America to help people it must be put in there to hurt people"
"if [fluoride] was so safe why did germany put it in the water of the jews."
"do you now how many children use i can not pay attention in class as an excuse. and the dumb parents and teacher solution is to drug them up"
Con counters point by point without really offering a counter-thesis but the debate is so disorganized I think this forgivable.
Pro forfeits R3 which is probably just as well.
Pro never assembled a cohesive argument, Con gave us plenty of good piecemeal reasons to doubt Pro's claims. Arguments to Con.
Pro sources were fair in the first round, much worse in the second. The string of anti-fluoride pseudoscience blogs was particularly odious. Con only used a couple of sources, both fine.
Conduct to Con for Pro's forfeit.
Yeah. It didn’t slow my reading of the debate down.
You can understand that?
If I have no problems reading and understanding what someone says, I mostly won’t award grammar. If someone’s grammar and sentence structure prevent me from reading the debate easily - that’s when I will award grammar points.
How did neither of you give Con grammar??
We are aware of the issue. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
“Wrick-It-Ralph copied your vote is that allowed?”
That would be a big no.
(tagging the moderators as I can no longer report the vote)
Wrick-It-Ralph copied your vote is that allowed?
Thanks for the vote.
You shouldn't really do that.
You should also remove the gaps in your arguments. That list was unnecessary as well.
2 days i have a habit of typing my stuff last minutes. i forfeited on 4 debates some not even on this site
For 3 days?
my internet died
alright
Actually that isn't what I meant. I meant these definitions:
"Poison: Any substance that can cause severe organ damage or death if ingested, breathed in, injected into the body or absorbed through the skin. Many substances that normally cause no problems, including water and most vitamins, can be poisonous if taken in excessive quantity. Poison treatment depends on the 'substance."
https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11890
"1.0 A substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
1.1 Chemistry A substance that reduces the activity of a catalyst."
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/poison
The capacity to do such harm in any quantity inherently allows you to define it as poisonous, at least in severely likely potential of any single side effect of any and all medicines.
and RationalMadman
i see what you mean
A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means.
n.
Something destructive or fatal.
n.
Chemistry & Physics A substance that inhibits another substance or a reaction: a catalyst poison.
https://ahdictionary.com/
alright what i mean for poison.and the made up definition i would use for the debate.
a harmful substances intended for harm. something meant to harm someone.
its funny that you speak of water my last argument in my other prescription medication debate goes into that. "by goes into that" i mean that the government has been putting pharmaceutical drugs and fluoride in tap water
Are you not aware who his opponent is in the other debate?
It's crossed, not tiwaz. Under the provided definition, water can be a poison
Yeah I am shocked tiwaz is even standing a chance in his other debate on this. The definition of poison makes this inherently true.
You need to define your terms. What does "poison" mean in this context?