Instigator / Pro
34
1495
rating
47
debates
48.94%
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Topic

Ben Shapiro is not an intellectual

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Finished

All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

Arguments points
15
6
Sources points
10
10
Spelling and grammar points
5
5
Conduct points
4
5

With 5 votes and 8 points ahead, the winner is ...

Sparrow
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Round 1
Pro
Ben Shapiro is nothing but a big fat right wing shill who picks out the worst examples of leftists and conflates them with the entire left wing. His style of debate is simplistic, full of false equivalencies and over-simplifications which are designed to pidgeon-hole the opponent into a circular discourse in which he overrides any attempt they make at reasoned and nuanced discussion with a torrent of self-rebuttals of his own misrepresentations disguised as statements of basic fact.

For a comedic touch, I will now present you with my impression of Ben Shapiro

(weasely voice) "The left wing is fundamentally immoral, because left wing politics is based on theft and distorting the facts of biology and objective morality. That's why it's impossible to debate a left winger, they can't debate you because there is no objective reality in their self-entitlednihilisticpostmodernistculturalmarxistmoralrelativistworldview. That's why they argue with pure feelings based rhetoric, because studies show that liberals are ugly, have low testosterone and are more likely to be indifferent to facts than right wingers. Also all left wingers are anti-semites and everyone who was ever a bad person was a leftist and an atheist. Also there is no such thing as a rich person who is bad unless they are a left winger."




Con
Ben Shapiro is nothing but a big fat right wing shill
He is not fat, pretty fit actually.  Next point.

 He picks out the worst examples of leftists and conflates them with the entire left wing
Any proof for this?

His style of debate is simplistic, full of false equivalencies and over-simplifications which are designed to pidgeon-hole the opponent into a circular discourse in which he overrides any attempt they make at reasoned and nuanced discussion with a torrent of self-rebuttals of his own misrepresentations disguised as statements of basic fact.
This is an opinion.  Any real examples?  

Ben Shapiro is an intellectual because he backs everything up he says with facts or some sort of logical reasoning.  He has statistics right in the back of his mind and takes questions from liberals and then answers it with the things I just described.  

Also all left wingers are anti-semites and everyone who was ever a bad person was a leftist and an atheist. Also there is no such thing as a rich person who is bad unless they are a left winger."
He has never said this.  He is willing to engage with the left and have civil dialogue.  Ben rationalizes people's positions and educates college students.  He never uses these feelings based rhetoric, it actually sounds like what a liberal would say to a conservative because most liberals just shout and don't have a discussion with conservatives.

Conclusion--

My opponent has only given opinions and feelings based arguments, and has not backed it up with any examples or evidence.  I await for him to do so.

Round 2
Pro
He is not fat, pretty fit actually.
I didn't mean physically fat, what I am really calling him is a right wing shill, a point which you chose to ignore. Ben Shapiro is a big fat dirty filthy repugnant repulsive sack of goblin shite because he is nothing but a propaganda shill.

Any proof for this?
In this 3 minute video alone Ben Shapiro conflates the position of every left winger on earth with extreme pro-abortion attitudes and asserts that the woman he is debating agrees with these attitudes while she repeatedly denies it, and as she tries to explain her position he constantly makes false equivalencies and conflationary assertions about her positions, even comparing abortion to the slave-trade in an incredibly intellectually dishonest display of his anti-intellectual sleazeball antics.

There are many, many more examples of him being an intellectually dishonest right wing shill. He does these things in every debate he has.

Ben Shapiro is an intellectual because he backs everything up he says with facts or some sort of logical reasoning.
XD

He has statistics right in the back of his mind
What good are statistics when they are cherry picked and used to misrepresent people's arguments and positions?

Since you believe that child-rape is a harmless hobby, let me show you some statistics showing that you are harming children.

Ben rationalizes people's positions and educates college students
He does the exact opposite of those things. He tries to cancel out any nuanced discussion with his radical assertions and oversimplications and he constantly lies to college students in an attempt to convince them that all left wingers are deranged anti-free speech communists who just shout and don't want to have an honest discussion with conservatives.

He has never said this. 
He is an ethno-nationalist (zionist) Jew who cries like a little SJW pansy whenever someone criticizes Israel and calls them an anti-semite.

Here is Shapiro whining about leftists who don't support Israel and conflating all leftists with having extreme anti-zionist views. He is also fallaciously insinuating that they are pro-hamas, conflating all leftism with socialism and conflating socialism with "equality of outcome" all in the same 2 minute video.

If you ask Shapiro, literally every authoritarian regime in history was left-wing and run by atheists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh6MPVoUNl8 ( insinuates all fascists are leftists because all leftists are anti-free speech)

feelings based arguments
omg u don't support Lord Shapiro? You must be a widdle baby SJW feewings-based Jew hater like omg.

Con
I didn't mean physically fat, what I am really calling him is a right wing shill, a point which you chose to ignore. Ben Shapiro is a big fat dirty filthy repugnant repulsive sack of goblin shit because he is nothing but a propaganda shill.
I'm sorry but this not the way too argue.  You will probably get docked the conduct point because of your swearing and insults.

In this 3 minute video alone Ben Shapiro conflates the position of every left winger on earth with extreme pro-abortion attitudes and asserts that the woman he is debating agrees with these attitudes while she repeatedly denies it, and as she tries to explain her position he constantly makes false equivalencies and conflationary assertions about her positions, even comparing abortion to the slave-trade in an incredibly intellectually dishonest display of his anti-intellectual sleazeball antics.
First, you should be able to give specific instances and quotes of when Ben was being anti-intellectual, not a 3 minute video I have to piece apart and guess what you are saying.  Ben said "most" not every single person on earth.  The women said "I am certainly a person that believes the mother's rights usurp the baby's rights."  She was very inconsistent in her positioning.  Ben then said "In what world would my rights be allowed to kill another human being?"  To which the guest very anti-intellectually said "Well you're not a woman."  This was a lame argument and an example of Ben being rational and the women not.  He was speaking to slave-holders because he was making a point that slave-owners can hold human beings and kill them if they want, which is what is happening in abortion.

XD
If you consider this an argument then you are not debating.  This could affect the Argument and Conduct point as well.

He tries to cancel out any nuanced discussion with his radical assertions and oversimplications and he constantly lies to college students in an attempt to convince them that all left wingers are deranged anti-free speech communists who just shout and don't want to have an honest discussion with conservatives.
He logically pieces together information from their questions an has a discussion with them.  The second part is true, a lot of anti-free speech communists do not want to have an honest discussion.


Here is Shapiro whining about leftists who don't support Israel and conflating all leftists with having extreme anti-zionist views. He is also fallaciously insinuating that they are pro-hamas, conflating all leftism with socialism and conflating socialism with "equality of outcome" all in the same 2 minute video.
He only referrers to some.  Nowhere in their did he say "all."

If you ask Shapiro, literally every authoritarian regime in history was left-wing and run by atheists.
He cites a video but literally all he mentions is Hitler and Stalin as examples.  He never said "all" or anything to that extent.  All he said was Hitler was closer to the left in his regime.

You must be a widdle baby SJW feewings-based Jew hater like omg.
Poor conduct.

Ben Shapiro is intellectual because he skipped two grades, grades 3 and 9, and has many great points and logic. 

If you watch any of his lectures, he backs everything up with facts and logic and never hesitates to answer questions or back up his political positions.


Round 3
Pro
I'm sorry but this not the way too argue.  You will probably get docked the conduct point because of your swearing and insults.
I am allowed to have a little fun. What are you, some kind of SJW who can't take a joke?

First, you should be able to give specific instances and quotes of when Ben was being anti-intellectual, not a 3 minute video I have to piece apart and guess what you are saying.
You have literally been repeating that he is so brilliant and logical throughout the debate without providing a single smidgen of evidence. A three minute video is about as concise as it gets. What do you expect, exact 10 second snippets of all of his quotes addressed one by one?

Ben said "most" not every single person on earth.
Ben did not say either, instead he leaves it open to interpretation and vaguely refers to everything he criticises as "the left". He always insinuates "all" in the way that he says "the left believes this" and  refers to it as an agenda shared by all leftists but he never says it directly, since he wants to appear fair and balanced. He wants to create an "us vs them" and try to atomize  "the left" as a single ideology. If you believe that the democratic party is run by cultural marxists and that Bernie Sanders is a commie then you are living proof of Shapiro's heinous propaganda tactics.

The women said "I am certainly a person that believes the mother's rights usurp the baby's rights."
She did not say that.

He cites a video but literally all he mentions is Hitler and Stalin as examples.  He never said "all" or anything to that extent.  All he said was Hitler was closer to the left in his regime.

For the record, he believes Hitler was a socialist, which would make him extremely far left. This is a one sided and dishonest way of portraying it because Fascism is usually difficult to pinpoint on the political spectrum and has both extreme leftist and extreme right wing elements. For example, Nazi Germany was extremely collectivist but also extremely nationalistic and conservative in regards to German cultural values. Ben Shapiro wants to convince you that fascism, communism, social democracy and socialism are all the same thing, which is simply not true.



Con
You have literally been repeating that he is so brilliant and logical throughout the debate without providing a single smidgen of evidence. A three minute video is about as concise as it gets. What do you expect, exact 10 second snippets of all of his quotes addressed one by one?
I gave 3 pieces of evidence out of many in the last round alone, and you did not rebut to any of them.

Ben did not say either, instead he leaves it open to interpretation and vaguely refers to everything he criticises as "the left". He always insinuates "all" in the way that he says "the left believes this" and  refers to it as an agenda shared by all leftists but he never says it directly, since he wants to appear fair and balanced. He wants to create an "us vs them" and try to atomize  "the left" as a single ideology. If you believe that the democratic party is run by cultural marxists and that Bernie Sanders is a commie then you are living proof of Shapiro's heinous propaganda tactics.
This is an opinion of what you thought he meant by saying it, not a fact with a basis.  It's also important to not he refers to leftists as extreme liberals and leftists are different than moderate democrats or classical liberals.

She did not say that.
She absolutely said that.  You should know what is in the source you yourself cited.  2:34-2:55 is when she says "I am certainly a person that believes the mother's rights usurp the baby's rights."

For the record, he believes Hitler was a socialist, which would make him extremely far left. This is a one sided and dishonest way of portraying it because Fascism is usually difficult to pinpoint on the political spectrum and has both extreme leftist and extreme right wing elements. For example, Nazi Germany was extremely collectivist but also extremely nationalistic and conservative in regards to German cultural values. Ben Shapiro wants to convince you that fascism, communism, social democracy and socialism are all the same thing, which is simply not true.
Hitler was a socialist.  An example is Germany banned guns in the 20's.  He gave his people little freedom and the government of Germany controlled people like a socialistic society, which lead to the Holocaust.  Fascism is "is a form of radical authoritarian ultra-nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy."  This means government has full control over their people,, which is a trait of Socialists and the let-wing, more government.


My opponent did not respond to these 3 points last round, which is poor conduct.

"Ben Shapiro is intellectual because he skipped two grades, grades 3 and 9, and has many great points and logic.  

If you watch any of his lectures, he backs everything up with facts and logic and never hesitates to answer questions or back up his political positions."

In response to his abortion interview evidence, I said "Ben said "most" not every single person on earth.  The women said "I am certainly a person that believes the mother's rights usurp the baby's rights."  She was very inconsistent in her positioning.  Ben then said "In what world would my rights be allowed to kill another human being?"  To which the guest very anti-intellectually said "Well you're not a woman."  This was a lame argument and an example of Ben being rational and the women not.  He was speaking to slave-holders because he was making a point that slave-owners can hold human beings and kill them if they want, which is what is happening in abortion."

He did not respond to this either which is poor conduct.  He also used "XD" as his only argument against one of my points.

He also said "You must be a widdle baby SJW feewings-based Jew hater like omg." which is also poor conduct, along with "a big fat dirty filthy repugnant repulsive sack of goblin shit because he is nothing but a propaganda shill."

Conclusion--

I have proven that with my many points and evidence I should get the voters' votes, along with the poor conduct by pro and his refusal to respond to multiple of my arguments and rebuts.  Vote Con!