Farmers Must Begin to Practice Human Sacrifice
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If they don't, vegetables will begin to rise out of the ground and float into the sky.
1a) Human corpses could be used as fertilizer.
1b) We could lower our crime rate by sacrificing criminals.
It would ensure fairness
increase our sense of community
Farmers practicing human sacrifice is dangerous for society because it gives farmers the power to kill people. Even if they're criminals who commit a felony, we have executioners to deal with the execution. A farmer doing this is bad in part because he/she has to focus on getting their crops to grow and less on executing criminals. People ought to focus on their job.
There are other ways we can get fertilizer for farms other then killing humans for the sole purpose of it.
Depends on the crime. If they commit adultery or steal money, them getting the death penalty and then their corpse would be cruel and unusual punishment. Even for murderers, as someone who supports the death penalty, I usually don't like to bring semantics into debates, but the title of this debate is, "Farmers Must Begin to Practice Human Sacrifice". Practicing human sacrifice involves killing others in order for something better. The only people who should be executing are executioners; people who have been qualified to execute; people who are less likely to get the wrong man; people who serve justice. If a farmer were to do this, it would be vigilantic and illegal for them to execute.
Executing all criminals, even those who committed misdomieners would not ensure, "fairness".
How would it do this?
The farmers need only do the killing and ritual to show commitment and solidarity. The dead bodies could be processed by some sort of factory afterwards.
Thus, this would be a state-sanctioned religious practice.
I don't really care about the criminals' rights.
Upon immediate introduction of my sacrifice system it is highly likely there will be a surplus of criminals. I propose we butcher them for meat and ship them to Africa.
Why do the farmers need to kill criminals who commit misdemeanors?
We have separation of church and state in our constitution, 1st amendment. Religious law in this context violates human rights. Killing people for stealing a few hundred dollars is cruel and unusual punishment, which is also against the US constitution.
Most criminals deserve the right to life. If you sped and you got caught, your technically a criminal. Should speeders get the death penalty? I don't think so. Most people have sped before and it would not make society safer. I would say the only ones that don't are murderers. Even they can't be sacrificed for a deity. Sacrificing is giving up something good. A murderer is not good. Therefore, the only thing that can be sacrificed is something good. The only people that can be sacrificed are those that are productive to society and making society worse by purging a few good people from it is not beneficial to society and would increase the crime rate since you can only sacrifice law abiding citizens. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a sacrifice.
If you include people who commit misdemeanors (like people who have sped before) then there will be a surplus, but you can easily be in that surplus. Executing people for speeding is extremely inhumane and violates our constitution. Also, why would farmers be the ones that do this? They are likely to speed so they would have to execute other farmers, just for speeding. The person shipping dead bodies to Africa would also might have sped before. Since virtually everyone who has driven has sped at least once before, the US population would plummet and so would the economy. Nuclear facilities for example would be understaffed, leading to their destruction. This can lead to an apocalypse since there are virtually no one left in the US which then causes eve more crime. It also encourages cannibalism in Africa, which would cause way more crime there because cannibalism is illegal there.
Well, they don't have to do anything - they could willingly forfeit their position as farmers if they so choose.
I think stealing money is just as cruel as death, and depending on the wealth of the victim it could be worse.
Funnily enough, the right to life is never mentioned in the constitution, it is only implied.
We could also institute a margin of error approx ~10 MPH, to only catch the most heinous transgressions.
It is not inhumane comparative to the relative danger and harm of car crashes - nor to the danger of continuing to allow so many accidents on our roads.
Cannibalism is already quite prevalent in Africa, I believe this proposal would solve both their problem of hunger and our criminal problem.
Arguments
Practicality (1A)
Pro says that human corpses can be used as sacrifices, and Con responds by saying that there are other more efficient ways of doing that. Pro says that we could do both, therefore creating a surplus. Because Con didn’t respond, this point goes to Pro.
(1B)
Pro says that we can sacrifice criminals and lower the crime rate. Con says that this will make farmers vigilantes and turn them into executioners. He also said it would be unfair for those who committed minor crimes. Pro says he doesn’t care about criminal’s rights. Con said that they are entitled to their rights regardless, and also makes the point that it wouldn’t be sacrifice unless you’re giving up something good. Pro says the Constitution never explicitly guarantees a right to life, and Con corrects himself and cites the Declaration of Independence.
Overall, Pro gave no real reason to sacrifice criminals beyond the crime rate. Con showed how criminals still have rights, and also that we shouldn’t sacrifice people who commit minor crimes. This point goes to Con.
(1C)
Pro says that this will allow fairness and increase our sense of community by making kind of a sport. Pro says that executing all criminals isn’t fair. Con uses consequentialism to state that if it lowers the crime rate, the end justifies the means. Con never responded to this, so this point goes to Pro.
(Ship Some Off To Africa)
Pro proposes sending some people to Africa to be food. Con shows how there are WAY to many criminals for this to be practical, as well as it raising African crime because cannibalism is illegal there. Pro just says that this will stop car crashes and help African crime rates (but gives no evidence for that). Con says that encouraging cannibalism doesn’t help. Lowering population rate should trump consequentialism here. This point goes to Con.
(Farmers Shouldn’t Kill)
Con says that farmers need to focus on their job, not killing. Pro says that they have to still do the killing to show solidarity, but that the bodies can be processed elsewhere. Pro argues that farmers become executioners, not farmers anymore. Pro gave no evidence to show how farmers killing increases solidarity. This point goes to Con.
Pro: 2
Con: 3
Sources
Con cites definitions of human sacrifice, but he also gives car crash statistics that are vital to his argument, as well as citing the Declaration of Independence. This specifically puts his arguments into the perspective of the entire country, and he actually won two if his points just because of the latter two sources and their corresponding arguments. Without those sources, I wouldn't have been able to evaluate this based on demographic changes or the policies outlined in our sovereign documents. Pro gave no sources. Con gets sources.
Conduct
Pro forfeited. That’s bad conduct.
*All Other Points Tied*
Your new vote looks better and is deemed sufficient
No because "Mere appeals to quantity are not sufficient to justify awarding sources points."
Pro didn't give any sources...lol
Is that vote better?
Sources
Con cites definitions of human sacrifice, but he also gives car crash statistics that are vital to his argument, as well as citing the Declaration of Independence. He gets sources.
I really need to see how this weighs into the context of the debate and how this weighs more heavily to con's favor. You need to compare these sources to at least one of Pro's sources. The utility here isn't explained.
Basically, I need you to go more in-depth on the source point.
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Vote Reported: Speedrace // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 6 points to con for arguments, sources, and conduct.
RFD: See below
Reason for mod action: While everything else is fine, sources are not sufficient. To award sources points, the voter must (1) explain how the debaters' sources impacted the debate, (2) directly assess the strength/utility of at least one source in particular cited in the debate, and (3) explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall was superior to the other's. In this case, I don't see any compare/contrast between pro's and con's sources to justify the point. There also isn't enough discussion on the strengh of those sources.
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What did I do? :(
Arguments
Practicality (1A)
Pro says that human corpses can be used as sacrifices, and Con responds by saying that there are other more efficient ways of doing that. Pro says that we could do both, therefore creating a surplus. Because Con didn’t respond, this point goes to Pro.
(1B)
Pro says that we can sacrifice criminals and lower the crime rate. Con says that this will make farmers vigilantes and turn them into executioners. He also said it would be unfair for those who committed minor crimes. Pro says he doesn’t care about criminal’s rights. Con said that they are entitled to their rights regardless, and also makes the point that it wouldn’t be sacrifice unless you’re giving up something good. Pro says the Constitution never explicitly guarantees a right to life, and Con corrects himself and cites the Declaration of Independence.
Overall, Pro gave no real reason to sacrifice criminals beyond the crime rate. Con showed how criminals still have rights, and also that we shouldn’t sacrifice people who commit minor crimes. This point goes to Con.
(1C)
Pro says that this will allow fairness and increase our sense of community by making kind of a sport. Pro says that executing all criminals isn’t fair. Con uses consequentialism to state that if it lowers the crime rate, the end justifies the means. Con never responded to this, so this point goes to Pro.
(Ship Some Off To Africa)
Pro proposes sending some people to Africa to be food. Con shows how there are WAY to many criminals for this to be practical, as well as it raising African crime because cannibalism is illegal there. Pro just says that this will stop car crashes and help African crime rates (but gives no evidence for that). Con says that encouraging cannibalism doesn’t help. Lowering population rate should trump consequentialism here. This point goes to Con.
(Farmers Shouldn’t Kill)
Con says that farmers need to focus on their job, not killing. Pro says that they have to still do the killing to show solidarity, but that the bodies can be processed elsewhere. Pro argues that farmers become executioners, not farmers anymore. Pro gave no evidence to show how farmers killing increases solidarity. This point goes to Con.
Pro: 2
Con: 3
Sources
Con cites definitions of human sacrifice, but he also gives car crash statistics that are vital to his argument, as well as citing the Declaration of Independence. He gets sources.
Conduct
Pro forfeited. That’s bad conduct.
*All Other Points Tied*
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Sorry about your injury.
I'm quite sorry I had wrote up a conclusory paragraph, but I broke my foot yesterday when I went out to get pizza and didn't have time to submit it. It shouldn't matter though, all our arguments are up in the debate already.
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That's true but some of the things it just hurts my head.
I don't agree with him 100% on everything. I don't agree with anyone 100% except myself.
New profile pic I see,cool. I like Ben though disagree with him on some things.
I am not a libertarian anymore. I like Shapiro. Libertarians should not be put in jail for their beliefs.
I also firmly believe libertarians are criminals and should be put in jail. Why did you take down the Gadsden flag?
Wouldn't it make more sense to start using the corpses from the millions of deaths already taking place every year?
This is A class trolling here.
The BoP rests solely on you for this debate. I don't think the Chaos God is prevalent here if he even exists.
I am glad someone serious accepted this debate. I realize human sacrifice slightly exceeds the boundaries of the overton window, but the merits are important to discuss.
If we do not please the Chaos God, his minion - the lord of fire, will incinerate us all.