Instigator / Pro
1
1481
rating
11
debates
40.91%
won
Topic
#915

Farmers Must Begin to Practice Human Sacrifice

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
0
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
0
1

After 1 vote and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

Alec
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
7
1596
rating
42
debates
63.1%
won
Description

If they don't, vegetables will begin to rise out of the ground and float into the sky.

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@Speedrace

Your new vote looks better and is deemed sufficient

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@Speedrace

No because "Mere appeals to quantity are not sufficient to justify awarding sources points."

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@David

Pro didn't give any sources...lol

Is that vote better?

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@Speedrace

Sources
Con cites definitions of human sacrifice, but he also gives car crash statistics that are vital to his argument, as well as citing the Declaration of Independence. He gets sources.

I really need to see how this weighs into the context of the debate and how this weighs more heavily to con's favor. You need to compare these sources to at least one of Pro's sources. The utility here isn't explained.

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@Speedrace

Basically, I need you to go more in-depth on the source point.

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@Speedrace

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Vote Reported: Speedrace // Mod Action: Removed

Points awarded: 6 points to con for arguments, sources, and conduct.

RFD: See below

Reason for mod action: While everything else is fine, sources are not sufficient. To award sources points, the voter must (1) explain how the debaters' sources impacted the debate, (2) directly assess the strength/utility of at least one source in particular cited in the debate, and (3) explain how and why one debater's use of sources overall was superior to the other's. In this case, I don't see any compare/contrast between pro's and con's sources to justify the point. There also isn't enough discussion on the strengh of those sources.

The voter should review the COC here: https://www.debateart.com/rules
The voter should also review this: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/346?page=1&post_number=4

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@David

What did I do? :(

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@Speedrace

Arguments
Practicality (1A)

Pro says that human corpses can be used as sacrifices, and Con responds by saying that there are other more efficient ways of doing that. Pro says that we could do both, therefore creating a surplus. Because Con didn’t respond, this point goes to Pro.
(1B)

Pro says that we can sacrifice criminals and lower the crime rate. Con says that this will make farmers vigilantes and turn them into executioners. He also said it would be unfair for those who committed minor crimes. Pro says he doesn’t care about criminal’s rights. Con said that they are entitled to their rights regardless, and also makes the point that it wouldn’t be sacrifice unless you’re giving up something good. Pro says the Constitution never explicitly guarantees a right to life, and Con corrects himself and cites the Declaration of Independence.

Overall, Pro gave no real reason to sacrifice criminals beyond the crime rate. Con showed how criminals still have rights, and also that we shouldn’t sacrifice people who commit minor crimes. This point goes to Con.
(1C)

Pro says that this will allow fairness and increase our sense of community by making kind of a sport. Pro says that executing all criminals isn’t fair. Con uses consequentialism to state that if it lowers the crime rate, the end justifies the means. Con never responded to this, so this point goes to Pro.
(Ship Some Off To Africa)

Pro proposes sending some people to Africa to be food. Con shows how there are WAY to many criminals for this to be practical, as well as it raising African crime because cannibalism is illegal there. Pro just says that this will stop car crashes and help African crime rates (but gives no evidence for that). Con says that encouraging cannibalism doesn’t help. Lowering population rate should trump consequentialism here. This point goes to Con.

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@Speedrace

(Farmers Shouldn’t Kill)
Con says that farmers need to focus on their job, not killing. Pro says that they have to still do the killing to show solidarity, but that the bodies can be processed elsewhere. Pro argues that farmers become executioners, not farmers anymore. Pro gave no evidence to show how farmers killing increases solidarity. This point goes to Con.

Pro: 2
Con: 3

Sources
Con cites definitions of human sacrifice, but he also gives car crash statistics that are vital to his argument, as well as citing the Declaration of Independence. He gets sources.

Conduct
Pro forfeited. That’s bad conduct.
*All Other Points Tied*

Sad

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@Tiwaz

Sorry about your injury.

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@Alec

I'm quite sorry I had wrote up a conclusory paragraph, but I broke my foot yesterday when I went out to get pizza and didn't have time to submit it. It shouldn't matter though, all our arguments are up in the debate already.

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@Dr.Franklin

My account got hacked when my account picture was AOC. Sorry about that.

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@Alec

AHHHHHHH, its crazy the world is gonna ned in 12 years, we need to stop farting cows AOC. WHYYYYYYY

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@Alec

That's true but some of the things it just hurts my head.

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@Dr.Franklin

I don't agree with him 100% on everything. I don't agree with anyone 100% except myself.

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@Alec

New profile pic I see,cool. I like Ben though disagree with him on some things.

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@Tiwaz

I am not a libertarian anymore. I like Shapiro. Libertarians should not be put in jail for their beliefs.

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@Alec

I also firmly believe libertarians are criminals and should be put in jail. Why did you take down the Gadsden flag?

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@Tiwaz

Wouldn't it make more sense to start using the corpses from the millions of deaths already taking place every year?

This is A class trolling here.

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@Tiwaz

The BoP rests solely on you for this debate. I don't think the Chaos God is prevalent here if he even exists.

I am glad someone serious accepted this debate. I realize human sacrifice slightly exceeds the boundaries of the overton window, but the merits are important to discuss.

If we do not please the Chaos God, his minion - the lord of fire, will incinerate us all.