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Socialism is is Evil

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Pinkfreud08 avatar
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Simple.I believe socialism is evil and morally wrong. No personal attacks. Your point is to try and convince me that socialism is not evil and it is morally great.
Round 1
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Due to the nature of this topic, I do not have to prove why anything is moral, You have to prove to me why it is immoral. However before we begin I would like to define Socialism, Redistribution of wealth, And evil. Also pro will waive the last round since I am using this round to establish rules and definitions.

Socialism: The state owns the common means of production through investment or regulation, And redistributes wealth.

Redistribution of Wealth: Redistribution of income and redistribution of wealth are respectively the transfer of income and of wealth (including physical property) from some individuals to others by means of a social mechanism.

Evil: Harmful to society

Round 2
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The seizing of your own property and wealth is immoral. It is theft, just by the government. Socialist countries often in pose taxes on almost everything and those taxes are extremely high. Lets a business man earns 10 million dollars per year. You than take 4.5 million of that and redistribute it in the lower class. That is clearly theft. The businessman worked for his money yet you take almost half and give it to others.

The next reason why its immoral is because tax payers are paying for people who do not have the ability to live very well (the poor). Also, you can not set your own prices. The government decides how you sell your own services.This completely reduces any chance of me wanting to go to school and earn myself a good job, why not just make pencils in a factory for eight hours and go get free things, that the social class above me has payed for.
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I don't see what the point of that quote is, it was made around 40 years ago.
This is also contradicted by him donating 2 % of his earnings to charity nowadays so it seems he doesn't believe in this anymore.
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The article mentioned actually provides no claims of Bernie stating this at all.
No quotes nor any evidence at all.
The statement itself has a link to another article, I am unable to read it due to me not being a subscriber.
However, the portion I can see makes a claim that articles published in the 1970s stated that Bernie was in support of a maximum wage.
This is true that Bernie USED to support the maximum rate. However recently according to the Atlantic, Bernie's tax plan now is " [Bernies] said that his proposed top marginal tax rate will be somewhere between 50 and 90 percent"
Opinions change, Bernie doesn't believe in a top maximum rate anymore just like a lot of the stuff he said back then.
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#18
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--> @Pinkfreud08
"I don't believe in charities"-Bernie Sanders
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--> @Pinkfreud08
https://www.cleveland.com/nation/2016/09/should_there_be_a_maximum_wage.html states that Bernie long advocates for a maximum wage.
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When did Bernie ever state he wants a maximum wage? Assuming you aren't joking.
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Bernie Sanders supports a maximum wage. If he makes anything over $1 million per year, then he should give the rest of that money away. Not to mention the maximum wage is how you shut down conglomerates since they make this much in a day or so. Taxing them this high gives them no incentive to be open the rest of the year, causing tens of millions of jobs to get lost. Then, American becomes like Venezuela. Bernie Sanders should tour Venezuela.
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He puts in his time and donates part of his earnings, I don't see how he isn't leading by example?
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--> @Dr.Franklin
If Bernie is a millionaire, he should put his money where his mouth is and should donate all his money above $1 million to charity. He's a hypocrite if he doesn't.
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--> @Pinkfreud08
I guess it is unfair, but the thing is Bernie is still a millionaire, why doesn't he lead by example? The poor are getting richer but the rich just get rich faster. Whats the problem?
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Comparing the richest person in the world who pays the most money to charity compared to Bernie who only makes 1 million dollars is a bit of an unfair comparison. Wouldn't you agree?
I couldn't care less how much time it takes for the government to spend their money, people make personal decisions of their own it's only human nature.
You also aren't considering the amount of money that goes to social programs such as welfare, social security, and Medicaid.
Or other services such as the police force, medical services, or the fire department.
The government officials itself only obtain a small fraction of their spending goes towards them anyways.
Besides even if it was a decent portion, I don't see as to why government officials shouldn't get paid a good wage considering the stress and skill a job of that nature takes.
Not to mention the fact you aren't considering time either.
Now which person do you suppose is helping the poor the most,
Billy:
- Is a billionaire who donates 500 million to charity yearly
- Doesn't volenteer his time, and if he does it's very few and far between.
Bob:
- Only makes a million a year so only donates 20,000 yearly
- Since Bob is a popular politician he focuses his time on aiding the poor through financing social programs and services such as healthcare for all, free college, and improving the infrastructure.
Of those two options, it's very obvious Bob is likely contributing more to the overall issue.
Also stating Bill Gates gives half of his money is quite simply not true, he does donate a lot but according to philanthropy.com, Gates only has donated 22 % in the last 17 years.
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The "people" will get 2 billion in a month. The government spends that in 7 MINUTES. Bernie gives 2% of his money away while Bill Gates give half. He is worse than the Billionares.
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Firstly, the redistributed money goes to the people. Some goes to the government however not nearly as much.
Secondly I don't know about elizabeth warren however Bernie actually does donate his money to charity. A lot actually.
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#8
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I would have waited for King fudge to change the sides.
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--> @Dr.Franklin
Please don't use racist nicknames for people.
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I feel like these top socialist advisors like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren{pocohontas}are outright stupid. They want to take from the rich and give it to the government which is greed. One of the deadly sins and they are also millionares and they dont lead the example with donating their money. Bill Gates donates half his wealth and Bernie Sanders doesn't.
According To Forbes, Billionares wealth is decreasing>https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/#3c5d2de6251c
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