The White Male: America & The World's Original Terrorist
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With so much chaos taking place in the US and around the world, it's very clear that white males are causing all of the problems. If you were to watch the local/national news or read random newspapers, white males dominate the headlines sections of the crime reports. Trying to understand these people is beyond comprehension because the majority of them are mentally disturbed to a degree. Is there some kind of mental imbalance that makes white males so evil or is it sheer stupidity of their intelligence...or lack thereof?
The biggest atrocities on earth were headed by yours truly...the white male. Murder, theft, ponzi schemes, larceny, sexual abuse, pedophilia, hate crimes, perjury etc...equals the white male. If you can't put up a rock-solid argument that proves me wrong, then Do Not accept this challenge. I'll easily make you look stupid via documented evidence.
white males are the original terrorist, and all you have to do is look at their track record throughout history. This really isn't a debatable topic because the actions and evidence speaks for itself
No, I never said that [white males are bad, criminals, or stupid].
“Is there some kind of mental imbalance that makes white males so evil or is it sheer stupidity of their intelligence...or lack thereof?”“white males dominate the headlines sections of the crime reports”“Murder, theft, ponzi schemes, larceny, sexual abuse, pedophilia, hate crimes, perjury etc...equals the white male.”
You also said that I'll need more evidence to prove it. I don't think that I'll have to prove it after you… Now please guide me to where I can find black males who have pulled these schemes. You basically agreed with me without even knowing that you actually agreed.
Uugghhh...Here goes the faux statistics of black crime vs white crime in America.
Dude, that's only Round 1. Do you really want to continue because I got plenty more documented facts in the pipeline.
First of all, you keep saying hatred as if I hate white people.
The fact is that white males actually dominate the crime reports on any given day. It doesn't take faux stats from a government website to see who's doing what. The local/national news & newspapers will show you exactly who's doing what, when and where.
Sir, the title of the debate, "The White Male: America & The World's Original Terrorist," is the actual premise.
Whether white men were evil or not, during that specific period of time, white men were committing more crimes because they were in power. Am I correct?
Now, you're saying that you're unclear of what the debate is about. Really? You must be running out of material.
Logically explain to me how 14% of the population is committing more crime than 60%?
Ok, when I reference local/national news & newspapers, the citizens in their towns/cities can actually see what's happing in their immediate area. Example: If someone robs a bank in my city & gets caught, then it will definitely see it in the newspaper or on the local news.
are you aware that you're falling for a narrative that isn't logical? i.e. the 14 vs 60 crime percentages.
You're basically praising a government that has a documented history of corruption... I want to ask you a few questions about your ethical government.
"But the government isn’t some shadowy, monolithic organization. It’s made up of people, like us. People who think independently, often disagree with each other, and very often make mistakes."
This quote is brilliant. It perfectly summarizes what the government is.
Your right facts are facts the fact that blacks commit more crime
In-fighting happens with every race on their native land.
For Example: You can argue with family members on your property and it's a simple family dispute, but if a random stranger steps on your family's property and causes trouble then it's definitely a problem. .
Facts are facts. Italian servants on the East benefited under these systems so that eradicates your story. I'd probably make up a "I worked hard" excuse also if I received freebies.
Considering that many Native Americans and tribal Africans stole land from each other on a regular basis and only won any land in the first place through bloody conquest and political marriages and trades, it is ridiculous to claim that the invading whites have any less right than the more local invaders.
If you're going to go the "stolen land" route then absolutely any non-Native American person in the United States who is a landowner is equally culpable. You have large numbers of Asian-American immigrants who came voluntarily, and in any case as for, say, blacks, whether or not their ancestors came voluntarily doesn't change the fact that anybody born here today was born here involuntarily. As for the Homestead Act, that's irrelevant for me personally. For starters, my family lives too far east, and in any case I doubt you have any large number of cases of "we've been living on the same plot for 150 years" over in, say, Nebraska. Families expand, which means each new generation needs to find their own place. My dad, when he married my mom, found his own place, a trailer somewhere. Whatever level of prosperity that his parents had managed to accrue did not benefit him in that instance. He never went to college, so the "his rich parents helped him get through college so he was the next generation of highly paid skilled laborer" argument also doesn't apply here. Likewise, he did not get his career job as a result of nepotism. As a young adult he had very little and he worked his way up until he succeeded. As far as I know no member of my family (or at least not on my dad's side) was ever in the military so the G.I. Bill is also irrelevant. There was little in way of "freebies" involved there.
As for me myself, well, of course I'm enjoying freebies. I'm living well as a result of his hard work. I'm not going to argue otherwise. But your overall point falls flat.
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The North was always industrial even during slavery. Cotton and other natural resources didn't just manifest into actual products. Yep, farm-based economics which were mainly destroyed.
Yes, Freebies...White wealth came from owning land. Am I correct? Now...tell me how much Free Land that white people received from the Headright System and Homestead Act? The G.I Bill was another freebie also in which all freebies transferred into generational wealth that was passed down. Don't let your pride cause you to get embarrassed.
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By your own admission also, the Southern economy was decimated during the Civil War, in large part due to the actions of such war criminals as General Sherman. The rebuilt economy of such, therefore, could not have had as its foundation unfree black labor. A large Southern middle class did not fully ripen until the economic boom of the 1980s and 90s (well over a century later), which explains their switch to Republican in 1994 (middle class people have always tended to vote GOP).
Freebies? You mean the good life I now enjoy because my father spent his entire adult life working hard?
Your comment is non-sequitur. The fact that there are poor and unskilled people in prosperous countries (though on a per capita basis China is a middle-income economy) does not in any way prove your claim. The North surpassed the South because by 1860 it was an industrial powerhouse whereas the South was still agricultural. Farm-based economies will always be at a critical disadvantage compared to modern ones, which've moved beyond mere resource extraction. I think virtually any orthodox economist would agree with me here.
By far the dumbest comment of the 21st century...China has a large, skilled workforce and many areas in China are poor....in the modern-era.
I'd think that since the North beat the South mainly on the South's turf then all of the destruction in the South would cause the North to excel.
If it's ludicrous, then give back all of your freebies that you enjoy today.
If slavery made a country rich then Mauritania would be a superpower by now. If anything it hinders the long-term growth of a nation by artificially deflating the value of labor, driving up profit margins well beyond what's normal for a business and so killing incentive for investment (since easy money is guaranteed no matter what basically). It also renders a large portion of the potential workforce unable to do anything beyond menial labor, though we now know that a large skilled workforce is needed for a country to thrive in the modern era.. The North overtook the South economically for a reason, and so the very idea that a prosperous modern society can be "built on the backs of slaves" is ludicrous in and of itself.
Like what? Losing a debate because someone voted saying : Europeans suck"
Maybe so, which is why you have a history of getting flamed in debates...I mean a (documented history) of getting flamed in debates.
Im never wrong tho
Every human should have rights from conception, but I digress.
The West has more human rights then the rest of the world. Capitalism should be a 3rd pillar to what makes a nation successful.
All I could find was him.calling other ethnic groups, "savages". Ignoring that Lyndon B Johnson did comparably extreme stuff, this was on the basis of their GDP per capita. Africa's, Arab countries, and Asian countries all had lower standards of living then the west, at least that's what I think.
You're like a kid who keeps touching a hot stove.
Yes, I do think that, and I say it all the time even though I shouldn't be saying things like that.
I can admit when I'm wrong, but you can't.
Just think about, why would anyone need to fight for human rights in the first place? Shouldn't every (human) have human rights once they're born?
Despite what you think, Adam Smith was a well-known racist. If you don't believe me, then research his name, and you'll find numerous prestigious institutes that have documented his racism.
Your original quote:"Trying to understand these people is beyond comprehension because the majority of them are mentally disturbed to a degree."
Do you think most black people are mentally disturbed, if no then you are racist
Every civilization had slavery. The west is prominent because of the 2 pillars: Human rights and secular law. If you have just human rights, you get India, which is not a good place to live. You get secular law, you get China, which lacks human rights. When Muslims combined Human rights and secular law, it created the Islamic golden age. I don't think Adam Smith was a racist.
Saying that someone is mentally disturbed to a degree could be an insult rather than being racist. I have plenty of white, black and Hispanic friends and we all joke around by calling each mentally disturbed.
Nothing more, nothin less.
Lol. You're talking about the Godfather of Structural Racism. Yeah, I'm very sure that other nations would like to emulate it by using slavery to get ahead.
"Trying to understand these people is beyond comprehension because the majority of them are mentally disturbed to a degree."
Claiming most white men are mentally disturbed
Black people are over-represented in congress.
Capitalism was invented by Adam Smith.
Can you name one racist thing that I've said? So, Black people controlled Congress during Obama? What's the percentage of whites to black in Congress? It's simple mathematics.
Yes, I'm Black but if you haven't noticed, Black people's skin complexion comes in all shades of brown.
And how was the capitalism built?
Nice... You got him
"So...who has control of the system...Whites or Blacks?...I'll wait...….."
Black people. THERE WAS JUST A BLACK PRESIDENT. Record numbers of blacks in congress and scotus.
"In conclusion, I Do Not hate white people."
Are you serious
THIS is flat out RACISM
Western civilization in the long term provided human rights and capitalism that much of the world wants to partially emulate.
Well....if you don't trust the FBI or established governmental figures,then I can't debate about this anymore....
Also,in your previous comment,you wrote," The entire system is setup for you to succeed so you don't have worry about police issues etc., but I do just because my skin is brown"
And just now in the comment,you wrote," I should know because I'm black & I live in a melting pot type of state."
That speaks a lot...........Good luck in your debate.
Like I said earlier, the Black Panthers weren't the same as the Civil Rights movement. They definitely met violence with violence. It wasn't mindlessly going around attacking people. They advocated violence against those that advocated violence against their people & that's the difference. Fighting back against for a righteous cause isn't terrorism, which is the reason TBPs was started.
I never said Islam was a race. You ask, "why does white privilege matter in jobs/police issues? Dude, you can't be this naïve to know how power works. America is a capitalistic society, and it needs an underclass to keep the machine rolling, i.e. slavery - i.e. the prison industrial system. Are you aware that Fortune 500 companies use prison labor to build products?
You're just posting links without creating any dialogue.
Nope, I'm speaking on Black issues about this topic & comparing it white issues. I'm well-aware that white, black, Asian etc, have all killed people in their own race...."Don't put the cart ahead of the horse."
The FBI? Really? OK, I'll breakdown this acronym & hopefully it won't go over your head. (Federal) Bureau of Investigation...Now, you'll need to come back & give me the definition of the word federal.
Actually immigrants don't really associate with blacks. Despite what the media says. There is no Black/Brown coalition. I should know because I'm black & I live in a melting pot type of state. Most immigrants vote republican & show their allegiance to whites. Just look at the way they vote as a block, but that sh** is biting them in the butt right about now... And no, they commit crime more so because they're trying to stay loyal to their benefactors.
Whoa,wait a second. I'm not white. I'm brown too. But the Black Panthers killed people too,and advocated violence. And since the issue is terrorism and you said give me an example where blacks indulged in terrorism,the Black Panthers is a valid example.
Also,Islam is not a race. It's a religion. And why do you think white privilege matters in the matter of jobs or police issues?
White people are killed more or less the same as black people.
This shows that more than 50% of black kids drop out of schools. Don't you think this impacts their getting a job?
You asked for an example of when non-whites did genocide like whites did? Well,Mao Zedong killed more people than Hitler. How about that? Do you know about Pol Pot? He too killed millions of Vietnamese.
Also,the black crimes are not faux. The FBI published a report which said that blacks commit 52% of the total crimes despite being 14% of the population. Surely the FBI is not racist too?
Lastly,I agree that immigrants are taking away the benefits and people are looking at immigrants and blacks in the same light,because immigrants come in the country illegally,destroy the black community by committing crime because they inter-mingle with blacks.
I never said that terrorism is strictly white.
You said whites freed the slaves but I'll ask "who enslaved the people?" Are you aware that the Civil War (wasn't) fought because whites had a sudden epiphany that slavery was wrong. The Civil War was fought because the South was growing stronger than the North & didn't want to share the wealth. And how well has that Civil Rights Act benefited Black people when white women & immigrants receive the majority of the benefits? Yes, the government lumps all so-called minorities together.
The main question is, "why would anyone have to fight for civil rights in the first place? And this is why I do what I do.
I hear you with the Arabs keeping slaves in which they're still doing, and Africa definitely had its issues. No argument from me about that because it's true. On the other hand, The Black Panthers did good things despite what the government says. TBPs started a breakfast program for kids, policed their own communities and were against drug selling. These are documented facts and they were definitely not on being pushed around unlike the Civil Rights movement.
Islamic terrorists do their dirt as well just like every other race. Honestly, whites don't understand the hardships because you're privileged. The entire system is setup for you to succeed so you don't have worry about police issues etc., but I do just because my skin is brown.
What about the practice of Arabs keeping slaves? Also,what about the different African civil wars where they kept fighting amongst themselves? What about the Black Panthers? What about radical Islamic terrorists? The idea that terrorism is a purely "white male" concept is wrong. If you talk about slavery,why don't you say that it was white males who freed the slaves and white males who brought in the Civil Rights Act?
Anyway...let me ask you some questions.
The very first comment was mine. It was mine and I asked if you would agree to debate with me. You can type my username in the receivers box to reply to me.
That's cool but I didn't see the message and how do I address you without addressing someone else? It keeps saying that participants cannot be found.
I can ask you some questions in the comment section if you're okay with that?
Hey man,I asked you if you are okay with me debating,but you didn't say anything, that's why I didn't accept.
The cheerleaders are in full-effect. You guys had the chance to take the stage, but you chose not to get slaughtered. Then again...I don't blame you.
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Stereotyping whites as terrorists is like stereotyping Muslims as terrorists. People ought to be judged as individuals. Like if you agree.