Once Again, Fighting Abortion

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We must accept the fact that 1:

Human life begins at conception and should be treated as such. Anyone who denies that claim, even after hearing the substantial amount of research and evidence, cannot, and should not be taken seriously on the subject matter. 2:

The fetus that presides in the womb of a mother, is in no way part of the mother's body no matter what way you spin it. The fetus in the womb has different DNA, most times contains different blood types, half the time the child is a different sex completely, and inherently is not a product of only the mother's body, but a combination of the mothers DNA and the fathers DNA. 3:

Abortion is 98% of the time never medically necessary for a woman's health. There are safer and more productive alternatives to abortion, that involve benefit to both

the mother and the child, and the only cases where abortion is medically necessary, are extremely rare cases and abortion in those cases are not considered illegal no matter what laws are at hand. 4:

The risk of injury to the mother during pregnancy is extremely low. In fact, pregnancy can actually benefit the mother in many ways, such as reduced risks of breast, ovarian and endometrial cancer, if the pregnancy is completed without major complication. Abortion takes away that benefit, and in fact in many cases abortions can cause severe mental health problems to women. And finally, 5:

Planned Parent Hood's roots are inherently racist, and genocidal and while many organizations also have ugly backgrounds, we should take this into consideration while thinking about this legislation.

Moral dilemmas.

People who don’t want to be pregnant, and don’t want the responsibility of a child.

I think it is extremely important, as mature as we are, to talk about sex, and its effects on people. If an individual is scared of the possibility of getting pregnant, then they shouldn’t involve themselves in sexual relations, because no matter how much protection you give yourself, having sexual relations is by definition is consenting to the possibility of pregnancy. Just as you would get into your car, but you don’t want to crash, when you enter that car, you are consenting to the possibility of getting into a wreck. One of the ways you can defend yourself from getting an abortion, is by being smart about who you sleep with.

If you do find yourself in a situation where you are pregnant, and you do not wish to take care of the child, there are alternatives to abortion, such as giving the child up for adoption.

2. Abortion in cases where the child has a disability is necessary to save them from a life of struggle.

I believe in the proposition that no matter what hardships human beings endure, we always have the ability to not only survive, but to thrive regardless of the situation. There are many cases of this throughout not only today, but throughout history.

To make a bold statement such as that is in fact extremely offensive to individuals today who live with disabilities and developmental complications, because it implies that their lives are too hard, so they don’t matter. It takes away meaning from the lives of those most vulnerable among us.

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Also, forgot to add sources:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8334275/

https://ldh.la.gov/page/915

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/our-history

http://abort73.com/abortion/mothers_body/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7245522/#:~:text=The%20biological%20line%20of%20existence,male%20and%20female%20reproductive%20tracts.

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Abortion is always necessary to save fetus from life in this horrible world.

Also, since you are Christian, you should celebrate abortions because it sends fetuses straight to heaven. Its basically the best thing that can happen to a fetus.

Really, Christians should be the ones encouraging abortions.

Christians 😝

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@Best.Korea

Abortion is always necessary to save fetus from life in this horrible world.

Again:

To make a bold statement such as that is in fact extremely offensive to individuals today who live with disabilities and developmental complications, because it implies that their lives are too hard, so they don’t matter. It takes away meaning from the lives of those most vulnerable among us.

Also, since you are Christian, you should celebrate abortions because it sends fetuses straight to heaven. Its basically the best thing that can happen to a fetus.

Murder isn't ok. I won't celebrate murder. Because what sends children to heaven, condemns adults to hell.

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Because what sends children to heaven, condemns adults to hell.

Ah yes.

But most adults go to hell anyway.

So...

Yeah, better abort the little thing.

Plus, abortion is objectively the best thing for the fetus according to Christian religion, so it would be strange that your God would send to hell someone who saved fetus from hell and suffery and sent it to heaven.

Your God is not exactly right in the head.

To make a bold statement such as that is in fact extremely offensive to individuals today who live with disabilities and developmental complications, because it implies that their lives are too hard, so they don’t matter. It takes away meaning from the lives of those most vulnerable among us.

I am pretty sure that there are people who dont want to live and who suffer a lot. All of that could have been prevented with simple abortion.

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@Best.Korea

Ah yes.
But most adults go to hell anyway.
So...

So what? Should we just stop trying to prevent evil from society, because they will "go to hell anyways"?

Plus, abortion is objectively the best thing for the fetus according to Christian religion

Well, according to the Bible (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) *unofficial name:

Jeremiah 1:5 ~ "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born, I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Exodus 20:13 ~ “You shall not murder."

Romans 1:28-32 ~ And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Proverbs 6:16-19 ~ There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

I am pretty sure that there are people who dont want to live and who suffer a lot.

That is called selfishness.

All of that could have been prevented with simple abortion.

Thats funny, because they wouldn't have even had that depressing thought if they were aborted. The fact they even get to choose that proves that abortion doesn't solve anything.

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So what? Should we just stop trying to prevent evil from society, because they will "go to hell anyways"?

No, I am saying that aborting fetuses increases heaven population.

That is called selfishness.

I dont care how you call it. Do you have an argument?

because they wouldn't have even had that depressing thought if they were aborted. The fact they even get to choose that proves that abortion doesn't solve anything

"They wouldnt have depression if aborted"

"Abortion doesnt solve anything"

Pick one.

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@Best.Korea

No, I am saying that aborting fetuses increases heaven population.

But also increases Hell population.

Also, a place outside of reality itself doesn't thrive on a higher population. It is unaffected. It doesn't work like we understand it to work.

I dont care how you call it. Do you have an argument?

Why suicide?

Because you don't like your current situation.

So, you make a decision based on your comfortability that will negatively affect those closest to you.

So, your comfortability > others.

Selfish.

"They wouldnt have depression if aborted"
"Abortion doesnt solve anything"

Pick one.

Depression is a sharpener that sharpens our mind. Something we have to deal with on a daily basis because of certain situations. When stood up to, is a good thing.

So, both.

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The demographers Toshiko Kaneda and Carl Haub estimate the number of humans that were ever born to be about 100 billion. Applying a child mortality rate of 50% this would mean that about 50 billion children died throughout human history. This is of course a rough estimate, but it gives us some idea of just how many children died.

God is OK with abortion.

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@YouFound_Lxam

But also increases Hell population

No. It decreases hell population because fetus is prevented from sinning and wont go to hell. His parents most likely go to hell anyway.

So the situation becomes an obvious reduction in hell population.

a place outside of reality itself doesn't thrive on a higher population

What are you even rambling now?

Why suicide?
Because you don't like your current situation.

Okay?

So, you make a decision based on your comfortability that will negatively affect those closest to you.

This is assuming that:

1. They didnt deserve it

2. Their pain is more important than my pain

3. That I have responsibility to please others at my expense (if you believe in this, then give me all your money now).

So, your comfortability > others.
Selfish

So dont be selfish and give me all your money.

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The demographers Toshiko Kaneda and Carl Haub estimate the number of humans that were ever born to be about 100 billion. Applying a child mortality rate of 50% this would mean that about 50 billion children died throughout human history. This is of course a rough estimate, but it gives us some idea of just how many children died.

God is OK with abortion.

No, he is not.

Did God kill all of those people? No.

The curse of sin and our fallen world did.

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@YouFound_Lxam

Did God kill all of those people? Yes, he didn't prevent them from being killed. He is pro-abortion until 10 years after birth.

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@Best.Korea

No. It decreases hell population because fetus is prevented from sinning and wont go to hell. His parents most likely go to hell anyway.

Aborting baby = Hell

Yes, it will.

To say they will anyways be to take away redemption and salvation from the picture.

1. They didnt deserve it
2. Their pain is more important than my pain
3. That I have responsibility to please others at my expense (if you believe in this, then give me all your money now).

1. No one deserves anything.

2. No one's pain is more important than others.

3. Everyone's responsibility is to please others, to an extent. Pleasing other by taking away laziness (like not giving you all my money) is also pleasing them.

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Did God kill all of those people? Yes, he didn't prevent them from being killed. He is pro-abortion until 10 years after birth.

He did at first. Until humans used their free will to bring sin into the world.

Preventing humans from being killed after they chose death, is taking away free will.

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@YouFound_Lxam

Aborting baby = Hell

Okay, lets do the math.

Jesus said majority of people go to hell, so lets say its 60%, although I am being generous here.

10 people have 10 babies.

60% go to hell.

Population of hell: 12

Population of heaven: 8

Another case:

10 people abort 10 babies

10 people go to hell, 10 babies go to heaven.

Population of heaven 10

Population of hell: 10

So yeah, as we can see with this basic math Jesus provided, abortions indeed decrease hell population.

Plus, every parent wants whats best for her child even if she has to suffer, and abortion is objectively best for the child.

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No one deserves anything

So God is wrong when he punishes people?

No one's pain is more important than others

Sure it is. There are different levels of pain.

Everyone's responsibility is to please others, to an extent

Great. It wouldnt be the first time Christians have justified rape.

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Life.

What actually is it?

And what singles out human life from all other life, other than human bias?

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Okay, lets do the math.

Jesus said majority of people go to hell, so lets say its 60%, although I am being generous here.

10 people have 10 babies.

60% go to hell.

Population of hell: 12

Population of heaven: 8

Another case:

10 people abort 10 babies

10 people go to hell, 10 babies go to heaven.

Population of heaven 10

Population of hell: 10

So yeah, as we can see with this basic math Jesus provided, abortions indeed decrease hell population.

Plus, every parent wants whats best for her child even if she has to suffer, and abortion is objectively best for the child.

That would take away the entire point why Jesus created us then. God didn't create us to exist for a couple of months then live with him.

At that point, human civilization would deplete leaving no one left.

So actually, by aborting baby's, in the end, less people would be in heaven than God originally planned, because he wants human civilization to flourish.

So God is wrong when he punishes people?

No.

Sure it is. There are different levels of pain.

Physically yes.

Psychologically yes.

But the way each person reacts to this pain based on culture and area is different.

For example, if I was a rich person, I would find doing simple tasks just as annoying to me as a poorer person would be doing harder tasks.

Everyone experiences pain on a similar level.

Great. It wouldnt be the first time Christians have justified rape.

Uh.....................

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Life.

What actually is it?

Biologically:

The condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

And what singles out human life from all other life, other than human bias?

Intelect.

An agreed upon moral law.

Being able to understand more complicated things.

Philosophy

Being able to do science.

A lot of things.

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Yep, we can appreciate the functionality that life affords us.

We can differentiate between living structures and non-living structures.

And human specialism will inevitably result in human bias.

But what actually is life?

And from an unbiased perspective, what is the difference between the life within a plant and the life within a human being?

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less people would be in heaven

But also less people in Hell, which is objectively a good thing.

Jesus intended most people for hell, so yeah, abort the little thing.

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Human life begins at conception and should be treated as such. Anyone who denies that claim, even after hearing the substantial amount of research and evidence, cannot, and should not be taken seriously on the subject matter. 2:

Human life begins with the creation of a human egg and sperm. Are you saying science has evidence and has proven that a pregnancy can take place without human egg or sperm? The argument is not about the practice of law and why pregnancy abortion had been legislated as a crime. People know it is a crime otherwise there would be no alibi for the use of the description like risk to life. What does the argument have to do with not establishing a United State Constitutional Right. Say or arguing that abortion is a crime is no excuse for the delay. Is it because women according to American Constitutional Right cannot be a President of the United States either? Pregnancy abortion is only unconstitutional because no one has described it as a United StateConstitutional Right. What a waste of time.

Female-specific amputation is a description of a United States Constitutional process which at this moment has no legal objection to be legislated as a United States Constitutional Right still no movement in that direction at all. We are not in court, we are not lawyers, we are the people who have a constitutional right to establish a state of the union described by America Constitutional preamble facts. Stop voting for people who come up with excuses to not do the job we have had a legislated crime on abortion of a very long time, we do not have a United State Constitutional Right over this form of immigration. Let’s ask science together when does immigration start? Why it starts at conception.

the point or time at which something begins : a starting point — usually singular

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Great. It wouldnt be the first time Christians have justified rape.

The United State Constitutional question: Was it rape before or after the accused left?

A 2nd United States Constitutional question: What does rape have to do with immigration?

3rdUnited State Constitutional question: Outside the start of the immigration process outside marriage what part does sexual assault play on any facts relating to the termination of the immigration?

4th United States Constitutional question: GOD describes Marriage as a vowl to love, honor, and obey untill death do we part from those vowls as whole truth to each other. Immigration as a United State held with all women and no men how is a man to be included in the argument of the endagerment of human life birth creates?

Is this just a way to distract the courts and misinform the jury pool about the writing and creation of United States Constitutional Right?

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what does rape have to do with immigration

I will pray for you.

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I will pray for you.

Do you know by united state of criminal law rape is a form of attempted murder?

The question was is the sexual assault before or after the accused left the accuser?

Abortion is an unreliable admission to make to a murder...

Don't pray for me, just answer the question truthfully. A religious belief is not a legal grievance to make against the establishment of United States Constitutional Right as due process. This is what is to be assembled as it has not taken place in the normal functions of the practice of law globally. In fact, it is a provable violation of the 1st Amendment in the balance of freedom as this word is and can be used in such a way to place a cost of criminal action against another person by not listening to them, was a rape before or after the accused left the company of a women? The question is asked because the idea of sexual assault occurs as a united state of law first as an alibi for abortion even before a women may be old enough to think about sexual activity. Is this not part of a whole truth? The argument never made before in or outside of the courts was a freedom of religion describes how a person will listen and interpret those people who have spoken and written as the other two states of the union made with the one-word freedom.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The perfect right held by the union made with American Constitutional preamble the practice of criminal law, be it licensed or unlicensed by the people. The perfect right is created by identifing that Speech, Press, are bound with the goal of no cost. The only no cost assosiated with and in religion and peaceful asembly is the the two acts of listening and understanding.

Female-specificamputation is not linked to pregnancy or the beginning of life directly FSA islinked to the only right available as a United State between all women futureand past, this one state is immigration. It is this fact science is burdened with as a witness toprove and disprove as fact. They have been placed under an oath of truth, whole truth,and nothing but truth by the courts to do so.

Thank you by theway.. for you prayers. There is no shame in understanding our own limitations nor is there shame in pushing our own limits.By the way a man isnot fired from his role as President of the United States of America "He" is relieved of command or dismissedfrom duty the voters and the courts have very limited powers in this respect.

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I'm not fighting abortion. I am attempting to pointing out that abortion is a act of criminal legislation and not a United States Constitutional Right. To which a United State Constitutional right of the people to remain silent is taking place. A piece of criminal legislation that is unmatched with a united state constitutional right is unconstitutional in its connection to established justice for the general welfare of the common defense towards all posterity.The addition of the principles of Pro-choice and Pro-life are not United States Constitutional Rights they are interpretations of logic made on criminal law and not United State Constitutional law.

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What does rape have to do with immigration. Sexual asault may be the cause of a immigration which palces only the female of certian ages at risk of death by the process of adding a male or female life to a nations posterity. It is only a women who is asigned a ambasadorship by the laws of nature directly with that life as the child itself has a form of diplomatic imunity also created by the laws of nature. It is only the women who is to give birth who is held at risk of life to add to the posterity of a nation.

The argument of law is over why Pregnancy abortion isor is not a United States Constitutional law based on an explained perfect right. Citizen ship of the very youngchild does not start at conception, life of the very young child doesnot start at conception, Life begins at two places the creation of the humanegg and the creation of human sperm then the creation of life is extended beyond an age limitalso set by law of nature. The idea of when the diplomate assigned by law ofnature becomes responsible for its own actions and is found capable by aconnection to justice already made or as described in American Constitutionknown as the word established.

Whatmight be reason for refusal of facts as whole truth to establish a UnitedStates Constitutional Right of equality between all women married, unwed, womenof all colors and race? The whole truth in this matter would also influence howa person is to be considered born as a part of nations posterity officially asa citizen when a woman pregnant is constitutionally made a diplomat of hernative country. This whole truth also accounts for a reason of logic why allwomen may not desire to held by United States Constitutional Right with allother women as created equal by their creator, Presadera.

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Human life begins with the creation of a human egg and sperm.

Wrong:

"The biological line of existence of each individual, without exception begins precisely when fertilization of the egg is successful."

And the rest of your argument is a rant about how we control the constitution. And we do. I agree. But you don't even touch on the moral and other scientific principles that I talk about.

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"The biological line of existence of each individual, without exception begins precisely when fertilization of the egg is successful."

The beginning of personality does start with successfulfertilization.

Human life begins atthe creation of the egg.

Human life begins atthe creation of sperm.

Youmake an argument on why a woman is the ambassador of the child by law of naturenot executive order

And the rest of your argument is a rant about how we control the constitution. And we do. I agree. But you don't even touch on the moral and other scientific principles that I talk about.

My argument is a filed grievance does not rant Congress and other political forces have placed the process of filing this grievance out in the public not me. Another part of the grievance is over discrimination as the declaration of independence describing all men as created equal has been targeted as a type of discrimination. Even after literally having been written as part of a declaration of independence before a court of law. All women are created equal by their creator is also a declaration of independence and is detailed as grievance by the removal of how a life is extended by fertilization before the people, incourt or out of court.

You make an argumenton why a woman is the ambassador of the child by law of nature not executive order. We are debating a scientific theory about the beginning of life not science fact. You are then explaining why the theory should be used as a guideline for legislation of criminal law. Ignoring why the word abortion is not to be suitable as legislationin United States Constitutional Right. The reason is self-evident and is due to abortion is criminally legislated and crime always means either guilty or innocent and is a poor united state of a right in which all women are held innocent until proven otherwise in courts of law using both types of laws. America and the voters have simply never been given a chance to vote on United States Constitutional Right which is also a form of law. Is it not? Has anyone ever in America voted on a United States Constitutional Right dealing with the Constitutional issue of female only immigration into America? No, they have not, yet the American United States Constitution is blamed for the lack of abilities for the people to do so even after over a hundred years of argument about criminal law.

If only one person agrees that a pregnancy can be aborted under acceptable use of lethal force, there should have been written a United States Constitutional Right. A United State Constitutional right in no way must match criminal law as a second criminal accusation. There is more than one person who agrees that there is cause forsuch use of lethal force therefore there is a call for United State Constitutional right as a state of the union. Infertility is an illness which is scientifically treated while there is also incest and medical disease that are other concerns for justification of safe medical amputation.

Wrong:

You make an argumenton why a woman is the ambassador of the child by law of nature not executive order.

Fertilization is the common defense toward the general welfare to ensure tranquility otherwise we may say cloning is the start of all human life. Whereas science does in fact fertilize human eggs with human sperm collecting both as a start for human life at the youngest possible age. The same is done by science with several other life forms on the planet earth.

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