Doesn't this position eventually have to relinquish and turn pro life?
Is pro choice/pro abortion a self defeating position?
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@Mall
It is calculated that more than 26,000 rape-caused pregnancies may have taken place in Texas alone. The findings were published on Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine.
Pro-life is self-defeating position, since pro-life is pro-suffering, pro-disappointment and eventual death, where pro-choice is just death.
A simple deduction will tell you that pro-life has 2 more bad things which pro-choice doesnt.
Well, pro life has many bad things related to it, including selfishness, desire to harm others and cause them pain, thinking its okay to force a pregnancy...
Its not even a competition at this point.
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@Best.Korea
Let's think about it. How many abortions will a pro abortionist be in favor of until they have to reject abortion in order for society not to die out?
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@FLRW
Let's think about it. How many abortions will a pro abortionist be in favor of until they have to reject abortion in order for society not to die out?
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@FLRW
LINK!It is calculated that more than 26,000 rape-caused pregnancies may have taken place in Texas alone. The findings were published on Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine.
26k rapes. Jeez
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@Mall
Let's think about it. How many abortions will a pro abortionist be in favor of until they have to reject abortion in order for society not to die out?
You assume that pro abortionist is someone who wants to extend the existence of an immoral society?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
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@FLRW
Paywall, can't tell where they got that number. Sounds wrong by a factor of 10.
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@Best.Korea
Well let's say we're talking about a pro abortionist that believes in human rights.
I believe when I said "a pro abortionist" , you yourself assumed that meant "all".
Key language there " a pro abortionist" .
This individual believes in human rights and freedoms. But they need a living thriving society for that.
So how many abortions until the line is drawn?
I don't think the pro choice/pro abortion individual has thought that far. Their mind is focused on current day political situations that will ensure somebody has right of their autonomy.
Now looking at this on a cumulative scale, this right is protected over and over, what is the result?
The pro choice/pro abortion supporter will have to relinquish or side with the parent that is opposed, the pro-life stance.
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@Mall
This individual believes in human rights and freedoms. But they need a living thriving society for that.
Actually, throughout history, human society has mostly violated the rights and freedoms.
Now, you can say that you cant have society unless women are forced to give birth, which might be correct, might not be.
Some women do give birth willingly after all.
But the loss of said society cannot really be considered that bad.
One would really sooner think that the existence of said society is bad.
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@Mall
No and No.
8 billion and counting.
Don't think that a few abortions makes a whole deal of difference to the bigger picture.
A few more would perhaps be beneficial.
Of course, common sense all round would also be beneficial...Here's dreaming.
Question:
If a couple had chosen a condom rather than abortion, what would the difference be, in terms of population?
Answer:
Zero gain, so no difference.
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@FLRW
It is calculated that more than 26,000 rape-caused pregnancies may have taken place in Texas alone. The findings were published on Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine.
Does anyone talk about the massive medical bills?
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@zedvictor4
You say a few abortions you don't think makes a whole deal of difference.
Will a lot make a whole deal of it?
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@Best.Korea
There ain't no might be. You need a living society in order to fight for the rights and freedoms of that society.
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@Mall
You need a living society in order to fight for the rights and freedoms of that society
You assume one wants to have society.
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@Best.Korea
Do you need a living society in order to fight for the rights and freedoms of that society?
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@Mall
Do you need a living society in order to fight for the rights and freedoms of that society?
Yes.
The thing is, you don't need the govt and society to validate a pro life position.
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@FLRW
It is calculated that more than 26,000 rape-caused pregnancies may have taken place in Texas alone. The findings were published on Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine.
How many MAGA beheadings did they have?
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@Mall
Well, I think that it's fair to say that a whole lot of pregnancies are planned.
And some are not.
And a lot of sensible people use contraception when indulging in recreational sex.
Your exaggerated hypothesis is not really realistic.
Just an exaggerated hypothesis for arguments sake.
And typically you avoided the question I posed to you.
So I will rephrase:
In terms of population loss or gain in relation to unwanted conception, what is the difference between an abortion and a condom?
(The ethics and morality of the issue is a separate hypothesis).
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@zedvictor4
An abortion involves terminating a pregnancy. A condom is a material used to possibly prevent pregnancy.
You say a few abortions you don't think makes a whole deal of difference.
Do you say yes, a lot will make a whole deal of it?
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@Mall
Hypothetically, if every pregnancy was terminated then this would make a difference.
And I know the difference between contraception and abortion.
Though both result in zero population gain.
And both result in no unwanted pregnancies.
Nonetheless, back in the real World population continues to increase.
So currently abortion has no effect negative effect.
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@zedvictor4
Do you think it's an oxymoron to desire sex but not pregnancy?
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@Mall
Good question.
That which drives recreational sex, is the same as that which drives procreational sex.
So one could say that the desire is the same and therefore not contradictory.
All that we have done is learn how to out think the driver.
Which I suppose, within the context of the organism could be regarded as a biological contradiction.
What do you think?
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@zedvictor4
When you say "out think" the driver, do you mean find a way to hinder, hamper , cut off , prevent the sexual reproductive process?
Orgasm lead to increased opioid release in the medial temporal lobe. Sex is heroin
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@Mall
Yes.
We have concluded that recreational sex is an enjoyable activity, and that procreation is not always a necessary outcome.
In fact for most women, during their sexually active lives, procreational sex is only deemed necessary 2.3 times.
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@zedvictor4
Outcome aside, is the absolute function of sex sexual reproduction regardless of the person's intent?
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@Mall
Outcome aside, is the absolute function of sex sexual reproduction regardless of the person's intent?
That question doesn't make sense.
I'm assuming that you forgot a what.
And that the extra sex was a slip up. (Let's hope that you used a condom)
Joking aside.
I have clearly stated all along that procreational drive is innate, whereas recreational drive is procreational drive dressed up as recreational drive.
But nonetheless, one would strongly suggest that recreational sex has evolved with the species, therefore becoming as much an integral part of our make up as procreation is.
To say not, would be to suggest that all consequences of intellectual development are unnecessary...Which of course might be true.