evidence: God, christianity, miracles, NDEs, the afterlife

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i use two unconventional proofs for god. one is healing miracles, i dont see the kinds of miracles that happen to theists happen to atheists
This has been studied. They compared patients that prayed and were prayed for to patients who died neither. They found no statistical difference in those who had favorable outcomes to those who didn't.

the other one is that the large majority of atheists come back believing in God after NDEs. it's irrational to say there's no evidence for the afterlife, when you get into the science of NDEs, and the credibility of NDEs lend credbility to all the atheists that convert.
The fact that atheists have converted as a result of NDE's is only evidence of how compelling the experience feels. The question still remains as to why we experience them in the first place, and there are more reasonable explanations than a temporary visit to the afterlife.
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NDEs can be either positive or negative experiences. The former receive all the press and relate to the feeling of an overwhelming presence, something numinous, divine. A jarring disconnect separates the massive trauma to the body and the peacefulness and feeling of oneness with the universe. Yet not all NDEs are blissful—some can be frightening, marked by intense terror, anguish, loneliness and despair.
It is likely that the publicity around NDEs has built up expectations about what people should feel after such episodes. It seems possible, in fact, that distressing NDEs are significantly underreported because of shame, social stigma and pressure to conform to the prototype of the “blissful” NDE.
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There's also something to be said about the inexplicable origin of life, especially human consciousness 

It's also kinda stupid to think humans r nothing other than elaborate flesh robots

It should be added that the atheists that don't become theists with ndes just gained no special knowledge of god
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That's what you think.


Relative to the inexplicable origins of matter.

We all experience ongoing near death.

Elaborate flesh robots that we are.

Stupid or not.

Irrespective of whether  one places an A before T H E I S T or not.
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It's also kinda stupid to think humans r nothing other than elaborate flesh robots

Wouldn't go as far as to say "robots" in the true sense of the word. But we were certainly created as a slave species if the bible is to be believed. You want to try reading it for yourself.... one day.

Start here>> "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". Genesis 2:5  and then read what comes before up to the creation of the Adam. 


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There's also something to be said about the inexplicable origin of life, especially human consciousness 

It's also kinda stupid to think humans r nothing other than elaborate flesh robots
Following the basic principals of logic is hardly stupid. Google argument from ignorance.
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you've never read the bible before, have you
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Stephen has very few equals amongst DebateArtists, when it comes to biblical knowledge.


Hallelujah Bromsgrove.
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My profile pic is Stephen.
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Google the logical argument, "argument from the absurd". It's absurd to think humans r nothing other than elaborate flesh robots 
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It's absurd to think humans r nothing other than elaborate flesh robots 
And yet that's exactly what we observe, so if you want an argument that leads to absurdity, try the argument where it's absurd to accept our own observations.

But beyond that, this is yet again another attempt to shift the burden of proof. The argument isn't "we're nothing more than 'flesh robots'", but that if we're anything more there's no evidence of it and therefore no justification to believe it.
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there's also the incorruptible bodies of dead saints, that take a long time to rot. skeptic claim it's things like adipocere and good conditions to prevent rotting, but believers say this has been studied scientifically and no explanations given. if skeptics can assume that's wrong, i can assume it's right. maybe my standard of proof of just believing the proponents isn't adequate, but it looks good enough for me. 
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you've been presented tons of times with hard science that indicates we are more than elaborate flesh robots. you reject that science, with irrational reasons. then lack common sense, and conclude to yourself that we can't even know if we are more than elaborate flesh robots. you are a special kind of lost in your own twisted logic. 
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What are the numbers regarding a person from a non Christian upbringing/culture having a Christian themed NDE?
How many Muslims have had a Christian themed NDE? Vice versa? How many interreligion conversions have occurred as a result of NDEs themed in a different religious faith?
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In the past, deterioration of incorrupt corpses could be attributed to exposing the body to bad air. According to a team of modern paleopathologists from the University of Pisa, that’s actually not too far from the truth. With the Vatican’s support, the team studied microenviornments in the former tombs of incorrupt corpses. They discovered that small differences in temperature, moisture, and construction techniques lead to some tombs producing naturally preserved bodies while others in the same church didn’t. Now you can debate God’s role in choosing which bodies went into which tombs before these differences were known, but I’m going to stick with the corpses. Once the incorrupt bodies were removed from these climates or if the climates changed, they deteriorated. This may have been what happened to St. Francesca Romana who was deemed incorrupt four months after her death in 1440 only to be found fully skeletonized in 1698 (though you still hear people refer to her as incorrupt).
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There r some Marian apparitions that looked supernatural, such as the one in Egypt or Fatima etc
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That's not a credible authority as a website. Also I realize your explanation might explain some incorruptibles I'm skeptical if it explains all of them. If u want confirmation that skeptics might have some basis to be skeptical then u got it. Ive seen studies that conclude a certain body has been investigated by science with no way of showing a natural explanation. I don't have this study and can't verify for sure the science. I guess all we can do is retreat to our asdumptions
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I have the book that has the science in my room... I'll get back to you on more details
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you've been presented tons of times with hard science that indicates we are more than elaborate flesh robots.
Complete and total BS. The most you've ever presented are anecdotal stories of NDE's which is not science.

you reject that science, with irrational reasons. then lack common sense, and conclude to yourself that we can't even know if we are more than elaborate flesh robots. 
A definition of "flesh robots" would be a nice start. Once you define it, take note on whether any part of your definition includes a realm of reality that we have no access to and therefore cannot experiment on, and therefore cannot possibly know anything about. That's where common sense should kick in.
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Double_R wrote @n8nrgim A definition of "flesh robots" would be a nice start. 

Nice.😊
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you've never read the bible before, have you.

Well, I will assume that you have. So can you explain to me what is going on here at Matthew 15: 21 -28?  
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I see you're open to other kind of knowledge. You would love then to read (or listen to) Edgar Cayce.