Death to murderers and those that r***

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I think whether one is AUP (Democrats) or LUSHO (Libertarian), there is ample reason to support executing murderers

If one is LUSHO, then they don't like the government giving free stuff to people.  This would include murderers and those that commit r***, so they would favor executing them to save taxpayer money.

If one is AUP, then they want more money going to help teachers.  Enough money is spent taking care of murderers and those that commit r*** in jail to give every public-school teacher an $8400/year raise.  Even one that is AUP would want to help our teachers and students more than murderers and those that commit r***, so the logical penalty would be death.  Every state, even the bluest ones have many of their teachers wanting a higher salary and the state can't afford to give them one.  An $8400/year raise by not spending on murderers and similar frees up a lot of cash.

Although the republicans have no core ideology, I believe they are mostly correct on this issue.
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 they would favor executing them to save taxpayer money.
ironically, the opposite is true. It costs far more to execute someone than to imprison them for life. If the goal is to save taxpayer money, then you would ban all executions. 


If one is AUP, then they want more money going to help teachers.  Enough money is spent taking care of murderers and those that commit r*** in jail to give every public-school teacher an $8400/year raise.  Even one that is AUP would want to help our teachers and students more than murderers and those that commit r***, so the logical penalty would be death.  Every state, even the bluest ones have many of their teachers wanting a higher salary and the state can't afford to give them one.  An $8400/year raise by not spending on murderers and similar frees up a lot of cash.
obviously, all of this is bullshit since your underlying point is wrong. Trying to execute more people would mean you have to pay way more money. 

Although the republicans have no core ideology, I believe they are mostly correct on this issue.
since you didn't bother to look up whether what you were writing was true before writing it, it doesn't surprise me you would agree with republican talking points since factual information obviously isn't important to you. 
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You have to pay more money because so many opposite it that appeals end up disproportionately driving up the price.
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You have to pay more money because so many opposite it that appeals end up disproportionately driving up the price.
see, this is definitely a debate that can be had. You clearly either already knew information about the topic, or looked it up. We can have a discussion about why the cost is so high and if it is justified. The OP however clearly doesn't know anything about the topic and is just pulling shit out of his ass. 

As to your point, yes you are right. The cost is high because of the number of appeals they get. The danger in reducing their ability to appeal is that there is no undoing the damage you do if you get it wrong. If you imprison someone for 5 years and then they manage to prove their innocence on appeal, you can't give back the 5 years, but you could potentially compensate them financially for their loss. If you've executed someone and then find out they were innocent, there is no compensation that can change that. This is why there is so much emphasis on appeals for death row cases. I personally don't know if you could shorten it without increasing the risk of execution innocent people. But I don't find that the death penalty adds any value anyway. 
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Another example of selective morality.


So you had consensual sex with a woman.

Then she goes to the Police and claims rape.

She pops the morning after pill.

Tough shit for both you, and your zygote.
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Another example of selective morality.
my answer didn't even reference morality at all. I don't see the purpose of executions. They have no value. They are expensive, time wasting endeavors whose only upside is revenge. I'd rather the court system focus on processing cases faster instead of countless appeals for people on death row.


So you had consensual sex with a woman.

Then she goes to the Police and claims rape.

She pops the morning after pill.

Tough shit for both you, and your zygote.
I have no idea what this has to do with this conversation. 
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Enough money is spent taking care of murderers and those that commit r***
Are we censoring words now?

And why not censor murderers so its murd*****.

Honestly, why people censor words is beyond me, and maybe they suffer from "if I dont speak of it, it will go away" mentality.

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ironically, the opposite is true. It costs far more to execute someone than to imprison them for life.
The cheapest way to do the death penalty is cheaper than the cheapest way to do life imprisonment.  They both require a trial, and I would be fine with putting the convicted murderer in an electric chair in the courtroom and turning it on if guilty; it's a quick execution that is cheap.  Life imprisionment requires 50 years of food and guards.

Although the republicans have no core ideology, I believe they are mostly correct on this issue.
since you didn't bother to look up whether what you were writing was true before writing it, it doesn't surprise me you would agree with republican talking points since factual information obviously isn't important to you. 
I looked up the stat you referenced, and I think it's bullshit.
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The cheapest way to do the death penalty is cheaper than the cheapest way to do life imprisonment.
lol the cheapest way to do the death penalty is just to strangle anyone you suspect committed a crime. that's cheaper than literally any other option. That doesn't mean it is a good or even possible option. 

They both require a trial, and I would be fine with putting the convicted murderer in an electric chair in the courtroom and turning it on if guilty; it's a quick execution that is cheap.
this would be wildly unconstitutional. But right wing people don't actually care about the constitution, so that doesn't surprise me. 

I looked up the stat you referenced, and I think it's bullshit.
what stat? That isn't more expensive to execute people? It is an established fact. I don't understand what you are questioning. The fact that you had to look it up but immediately dismissed it because it contradicts your point shows me you don't actually know anything about the topic, your argument is purely emotional. 
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lol the cheapest way to do the death penalty is just to strangle anyone you suspect committed a crime. that's cheaper than literally any other option. That doesn't mean it is a good or even possible option. 
Random people being strangled don't have their due process.

They both require a trial, and I would be fine with putting the convicted murderer in an electric chair in the courtroom and turning it on if guilty; it's a quick execution that is cheap.
this would be wildly unconstitutional. But right wing people don't actually care about the constitution, so that doesn't surprise me. 
Electric chair doesn't violate the 8th amendment.

My tax cuts matter more to me than felon's lives.  I'm a fiscal conservative.  Your claim here is incorrect.  Both parties support the constitution when it best benefits them.  Like, I think the 16th amendment should be repealed, but I want to keep the 1st, 2nd, and honestly, the 8th too, among others.  I just don't think electric chair counts as cruel and unusual punishment.  You may think it does, but we are both using the 8th amendment to make our arguments.  You think it's cruel and unusual; I don't.  But imprisonment costs too much money and our teachers deserve the money more than murderers.

what stat? That isn't more expensive to execute people? It is an established fact. 
It costs more to execute people because death row inmates often spend 30 years in prison before execution.  I would eliminate that; if convicted, then they get executed by electric chair in the courtroom; saving the taxpayer money.  They wouldn't spend 30 years in prison; but 0.

It's like saying buying a mansion costs more money over your life than renting an apartment.  You realize you don't have to buy a mansion, but can buy an apartment of equal size to the one you would have rented that would be cheaper if you want to live in that area.

Murderers getting free housing, healthcare, and food in jail is giving them socialism, so therefore all anti-death penalty advocates are socialists for murderers; they want them taken care of by the taxpayer and they want them given what they need to survive (they would rather pay for them than give our teachers a raise with the money saved by not paying for murderers to sit in jail).
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Random people being strangled don't have their due process.
appeals are part of due process. But you are fine with denying that. 

Electric chair doesn't violate the 8th amendment.
I mean executing people without giving them their right to appeal. 

My tax cuts matter more to me than felon's lives.
your tax cuts matter more to you than a potentially innocent persons' life. Without the proper appeal process, you can't know if you are executing an innocent person. But that doesn't matter to you. 

I just don't think electric chair counts as cruel and unusual punishment.
I never said it was. I haven't really looked into how cruel each type of execution method is. It's not really my point. My point is that executing people is stupid and pointless. It has no value. It doesn't benefit society. It is time consuming and expensive. And if you try to make it faster and cheaper, you massively increase the risks that you are executing innocent people. Life in prison is cheaper and always leaves open the possibility that an innocent person will be able to be released. It is the better option in pretty much every way.

But imprisonment costs too much money and our teachers deserve the money more than murderers.
this is a common fake argument right wing people use. I don't like policy A, so I argue we should defund it and give the money to something popular (teachers, soldiers, puppies, whatever). But this is a fake comparison. There is nothing about the prison system that takes money away from teachers. If the government wanted, they could give money to teachers tomorrow. This argument is very, very stupid. 

It costs more to execute people because death row inmates often spend 30 years in prison before execution.  I would eliminate that; if convicted, then they get executed by electric chair in the courtroom; saving the taxpayer money.  They wouldn't spend 30 years in prison; but 0.
it would also be unconstitutional to deny them their right to appeal. It would also lead to many innocent people being executed. This is the kind of thing saudi arabia or other totalitarian states would do. 
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appeals are part of due process. 
I would rather get all the evidence needed the day of the trial; trial dates years after are going to have logarithmic evidence.  Evidence is like apples; the newer it is, the better it is. I would rather lower courts deal with all of the work; no need to make higher courts busy with murder trials.  Probably not a good idea for the US Supreme Court to weigh in on every murder charge; it would make them too busy.

your tax cuts matter more to you than a potentially innocent persons' life. 
My tax cuts matter to me more than the life of a starving kid in America that we know is innocent; I'm fiscally conservative.  If the typical person is unwilling to spend $1/day on the life of an innocent child, then why are people willing to spend $25.2 billion/year on convicted murderers and r***sts when 96% of them actually did one of the worst crimes in our legal system?

Fiscal conservatism means some poor people are going to have to die and I and all fiscal conservatives are alright with that to save money on taxes.

And if you try to make it faster and cheaper, you massively increase the risks that you are executing innocent people. 
I'm alright with that because I don't believe human life (even innocent human life) is priceless and the people that believe innocent human life (IHL) is priceless have not thought it through.

If IHL was priceless and the government believes IHL was priceless, then they could force every person to adopt as many starving children as they can afford if it saves just one life.

Thousands of children's lives will be saved by forcing people to adopt; but it's not a good policy to do because there are things that matter more than saving people's lives (even children's lives).

All of the following questions must be considered:

1. Will more IHLs be saved?
2. Will money be saved?
3. Will economic security be infringed on?
4. Will this be good for fiscal autonomy?
5. Will this be good for safety?
6. Will this be good for bodily autonomy?
7. Will this be good for convenience?
8. Will this be good for economic security?

Everything must be considered, not just what saves the most amount of IHLs.

 If the government wanted, they could give money to teachers tomorrow. 
The bluest states in the country with the highest teacher salaries still have any teachers there wanting more money.  If the government wanted to pay teachers more money, then why haven't they done so?  It's not like corporations made the governor of Massachusetts curropt.

This is the kind of thing saudi arabia or other totalitarian states would do. 
Well abolishing the death penalty is something rouge Latin American states would do.

There are both western and non western countries that both have and don't have the death penalty.  But being against an idea solely because it's done by 3rd world countries is White, Liberal, Racism.
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I would rather get all the evidence needed the day of the trial
that is not how the law works. Part of "due process" is the appeals process. Denying it to people based on your emotions is not okay. 

My tax cuts matter to me more than the life of a starving kid in America that we know is innocent; I'm fiscally conservative.
yes we know you are a giant, gaping asshole. I'm not sure why you like repeating it so much. 

why are people willing to spend $25.2 billion/year on convicted murderers and r***sts when 96% of them actually did one of the worst crimes in our legal system?
Your question is stupid. The alternative would be letting them go, or executing a bunch of potentially innocent people. Both are unacceptable. 

Fiscal conservatism means some poor people are going to have to die and I and all fiscal conservatives are alright with that to save money on taxes.
it also means you don't give a shit about the constitution or people's rights apparently. 

I'm alright with that because I don't believe human life (even innocent human life) is priceless and the people that believe innocent human life (IHL) is priceless have not thought it through.
I didn't say human life was priceless. I said that compensation cannot be given. If you accidentally imprison the wrong person, you can't give them their years back, but you can give them a money amount in compensation for what they have lost. If you've killed them, there is no compensation possible. 

The bluest states in the country with the highest teacher salaries still have any teachers there wanting more money.
teachers are underpaid everywhere, yes.

f the government wanted to pay teachers more money, then why haven't they done so?
this is exactly my point, and exactly why your point was stupid. You don't want to give teachers more money. You said that just try to make your argument sound better. I'm glad you have acknowledged your point was completely irrelevant and just an attempt to win pity points. 

Well abolishing the death penalty is something rouge Latin American states would do.
it's something most modern nations do. 56% of countries in the world have banned the death penalty. only 27% of countries use it. So the US is in good company with countries like Saudi arabia, afganistan and Iran.

There are both western and non western countries that both have and don't have the death penalty. 
there are almost no "western" nations that have the death penalty. Almost all have banned it. 
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that is not how the law works. Part of "due process" is the appeals process. Denying it to people based on your emotions is not okay. 
Not sure about that.  Otherwise the Supreme Court would weigh in on every murder charge because all convicted murderers would want to appeal.  There should be trial by a jury; juries aren't curropt with power.

My tax cuts matter to me more than the life of a starving kid in America that we know is innocent; I'm fiscally conservative.
yes we know you are a giant, gaping asshole. I'm not sure why you like repeating it so much. 
I'm just being a fiscal conservative; advocating for cutting government spending and accepting the logical consequences of that; children starve.  You are calling all fiscal conservatives giant assholes by calling me one based on this quote (which I'm not against you doing that if you are upfront with the belief that all fiscal conservatives are assholes).

why are people willing to spend $25.2 billion/year on convicted murderers and r***sts when 96% of them actually did one of the worst crimes in our legal system?
Your question is stupid. The alternative would be letting them go, or executing a bunch of potentially innocent people. Both are unacceptable. 
If all murderers and ra**sts were killed, then about 600 falsely convicted people would get killed and $25.2 billion would be saved (about $42 million per one person's life for a year).  If you think one innocent person's life for a year is worth more than $42 million, then you should donate all your excess money to help starving children survive for a year, because it would be cheaper.

it also means you don't give a shit about the constitution or people's rights apparently. 
If I didn't care about the rights of the falsely accused at all, then I would put them in jail, not give them any food, and let them starve to death.  I believe the death penalty in a way designed to reduce pain balances the rights of the potentially falsely accused with the goal of saving money (and yes; I value my money more than any stranger's life; if you think this is cruel, then donate all your excess funds to help starving child strangers).  Just don't be a hypocrite and demand I and society (aka strangers) sacrifice money to help the poor when you are unwilling to sacrifice lesser amounts of money.

I didn't say human life was priceless. I said that compensation cannot be given. 
What's the difference between these 2 claims?

 If you accidentally imprison the wrong person, you can't give them their years back, but you can give them a money amount in compensation for what they have lost. If you've killed them, there is no compensation possible. 
Compensation has to be funded by the taxpayer and it's not my fault someone faced a false accusation, so the taxpayer should not give prisoners money for their suffering.  This is the consequence of fiscal conservatism and cutting government spending (unless you propose some other idea to cut government spending).

this is exactly my point, and exactly why your point was stupid. You don't want to give teachers more money. 
I believe the minimum teacher salary should be $80K/year.  But every left wing state wants to get to that and they haven't.  A government that complains that teachers aren't getting paid enough money while blowing money on murderers is a government that makes no sense.

it's something most modern nations do. 56% of countries in the world have banned the death penalty. only 27% of countries use it. So the US is in good company with countries like Saudi arabia, Afghanistan and Iran.
And the EU is in good company with Kenya, Cameroon, and South Africa.  

If a Nazi says, "The Sky is Blue", then they are correct on that quote.  

If Iran says, "Murderers should get killed", then the majority of the US population believes they are correct on that quote.

What religion backs a policy is irrelevant unless you are Islamophobic.

there are almost no "western" nations that have the death penalty. Almost all have banned it. 
No need on the US copying the EU.  America is a better place to live than the EU.
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Not sure about that.
you aren't sure that appeals are part of due process? That is a really basic fact about the legal system.

Otherwise the Supreme Court would weigh in on every murder charge because all convicted murderers would want to appeal.
they could if they wanted to. You know the supreme court can refuse to take cases right?

I'm just being a fiscal conservative; advocating for cutting government spending and accepting the logical consequences of that; children starve.
yes, and this is what makes you a gaping asshole. saving yourself a little money is more valuable to you than children's lives. that's psychopathic. 

You are calling all fiscal conservatives giant assholes by calling me one based on this quote
I'm not saying all fiscal conservatives are giant assholes. I am saying that anyone who says a tax cut for themselves is more important than children's lives is a giant asshole. If all fiscal conservatives agree with that statement, only then would they all be giant assholes. 

I believe the minimum teacher salary should be $80K/year.  But every left wing state wants to get to that and they haven't.
ok? and right wing states get no where near that. what's your point?

 government that complains that teachers aren't getting paid enough money while blowing money on murderers is a government that makes no sense.
you're back to making ridiculous statements again. These two things are completely unrelated. 

And the EU is in good company with Kenya, Cameroon, and South Africa.  
and canada, and the UK and mexico and almost all of south america, and pretty much every western nation. 

No need on the US copying the EU.  America is a better place to live than the EU.
lmao. You said western countries have the death penalty. When I point out that no they do not, you go "well I didn't like them anyway!!!". that is so childish. 
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You know the supreme court can refuse to take cases right?
Alright; so then what is the point of appeals of the Supreme Court can refuse to have your case anyways?

yes, and this is what makes you a gaping asshole. saving yourself a little money is more valuable to you than children's lives. 
Are you willing to spend all of your excess money sponsoring starving children?  If yes, then become broke.  If no, then you are the same as I am (except that I'm more honest).

I'm not saying all fiscal conservatives are giant assholes. I am saying that anyone who says a tax cut for themselves is more important than children's lives is a giant asshole. If all fiscal conservatives agree with that statement, only then would they all be giant assholes. 
All fiscal conservatives support cutting taxes for themselves even if it means a starving kid would die.  Most people don't like raising other people's kids even if it's the difference between life and death for that other person's child.  They don't have the guts to lay it out like that due to them being cowards, but it is true.

ok? and right wing states get no where near that. what's your point?
That I believe public school teachers should get paid more and it can be supplemented by cutting spending on prisons by executing murderers and ra**sts.  The prison population would get reduced by about 20%.  A huge win for criminal justice reform advocates.

And the EU is in good company with Kenya, Cameroon, and South Africa.  
and canada, and the UK and mexico and almost all of south america, and pretty much every western nation. 
South America is a shithole; and there is no need to follow the herd with a bunch of small EU nations vs the 2-4th largest nation in the world.

government that complains that teachers aren't getting paid enough money while blowing money on murderers is a government that makes no sense.
you're back to making ridiculous statements again. These two things are completely unrelated. 
Nope.  They are totally related.  More money for prisons means less money for teachers (unless you raise taxes, which is a 3rd rail in the US).

No need on the US copying the EU.  America is a better place to live than the EU.
lmao. You said western countries have the death penalty.
When did I say most western countries have the death penalty?  America is alone on that in terms of western countries (and I think America does a better job here than the EU).

My tax cuts > innocent stranger's life > murderer's life.  If you disagree with that, then become poor by giving your money to stranger kids in Alabama or Harlem.  Poor people's suffering is not my problem.
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True.

My reply missed it's target,

Namely  TheUnderdog.

My bad.

My not paying attention.



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See # 5


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Though if you put 2+ 2 +2 together, you should quite easily be able to conclude 6.

But to be fair, we all tend to just do the 2 + 2 thing.

Have a nice day.
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You need evidence to prosecute someone for committing the R word.

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Exactly.
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Alright; so then what is the point of appeals of the Supreme Court can refuse to have your case anyways?
the supreme court isn't there to decide whether or not you committed a crime. They are there to decide on issues of law. Like, did the cop who stopped you and searched you do it illegally. They only take cases where there is such a question to decide. For example, Trump is trying to argue that the President has the king like power to be completely immune to criminal prosecution forever. The Supreme court took that case so they can definitively say that he does not. 

Are you willing to spend all of your excess money sponsoring starving children?  If yes, then become broke.  If no, then you are the same as I am (except that I'm more honest).
you are changing the subject. The point isn't whether or not I want to spend all my money "sponsoring starving children", the point is that anyone who says that a tax cut for themselves is more important than children starving to death, is an asshole. 

All fiscal conservatives support cutting taxes for themselves even if it means a starving kid would die.
I'm going to guess that this is a lie. Most would agree they want to cut taxes, but would shy away from actually looking at the consequences of their actions. If you actually pinned them down and asked them if the government should allow poor children to starve to death, most would say no. 

ok? and right wing states get no where near that. what's your point?
That I believe public school teachers should get paid more and it can be supplemented by cutting spending on prisons by executing murderers and ra**sts.  The prison population would get reduced by about 20%.  A huge win for criminal justice reform advocates.
then your point is stupid. Teachers could be paid more tomorrow if that is what you actually wanted. Connecting the 2 issues is a common shitty tactic the right uses. What they actually want is to cut funding for policy A, so they whine about how it could be better spend on policy B. But then when more funding for policy B gets suggested, they oppose it anyway. That is exactly what you are doing. 

South America is a shithole; and there is no need to follow the herd with a bunch of small EU nations vs the 2-4th largest nation in the world.
lol we are talking about the majority of nations in the world and almost all of the developed world. America and Japan are the only western nations I can think of that actually use the death penalty. Everyone else abolished it because it is pointless.

Nope.  They are totally related.  More money for prisons means less money for teachers (unless you raise taxes, which is a 3rd rail in the US).
they are in no way related. That's like saying if your neighbor eats a sandwich, you have to starve to death. There are enough sandwiches for everyone. You don't have to illegally kill a bunch of people to give teachers a raise.

My tax cuts > innocent stranger's life > murderer's life.  If you disagree with that, then become poor by giving your money to stranger kids in Alabama or Harlem.  Poor people's suffering is not my problem.
lol most people would disagree with that. I mean, it is just straight up cartoon villain evil. Even trump would denounce that as stupid and evil, and he's pretty stupid and evil. 
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 The point isn't whether or not I want to spend all my money "sponsoring starving children", the point is that anyone who says that a tax cut for themselves is more important than children starving to death, is an asshole. 
So then lets raise your taxes (just you; nobody else) and use the money to save starving kids in Africa.  If you answer no, then it's hypocritical.  If you answer yes, then donate money to help kids in Africa and remove the government middleman.

Most would agree they want to cut taxes, but would shy away from actually looking at the consequences of their actions. If you actually pinned them down and asked them if the government should allow poor children to starve to death, most would say no. 
If you believe that, then pin them down and make them understand that fiscal conservatism means poor children starve to death.  If you are correct, then this idea would eliminate fiscal conservatism and therefore make it harder for conservatives to win elections, as many socially left people vote conservative because of taxes.

But while the idea is popular, there is strength in numbers.

But then when more funding for policy B gets suggested, they oppose it anyway. That is exactly what you are doing. 
I'm not in power.  My ideal taxation and spending code is outlined in Operation Get out of Debt.  If there was a bill that redirected money towards prisons towards teachers, then I would vote yes for it.

America and Japan are the only western nations I can think of that actually use the death penalty. Everyone else abolished it because it is pointless.
Everyone else abolished it because western civilization is very leftist and AUP (Anti Unwanted Pain).  I'm not AUP; I'm LUSHO; Liberty Unless Significently Harming Others.  But even if one's moral ethos was AUP, schools benefit from killing the murderers and r ists and re directing the money to help our teachers.  The compromise is for the AUP democrats.

You don't have to illegally kill a bunch of people to give teachers a raise.
Then how come in every state, many teachers aren't well funded?  If Massachusetts wants to pay teachers more, then what's stopping them?  They can spend as much on education as they want.

lol most people would disagree with that. I mean, it is just straight up cartoon villain evil.
It's just fiscal conservatism for those that have thought it through.  Unfortunately, most don't.  But if they did and 70% of the people that call themselves fiscally conservative became fiscally left, then that benefits your party and I'm fine with that as long as there is honesty.
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YYW once did a post on this topic. He put it like this:

Imagine if you're the kind of person who's immoral enough to commit a rape but not a random, indiscriminate murder. Suppose that, despite knowing what'll happen, you succumb to temptation and commit a rape. Now you can't let your victim go, since any testimony they give could end your life. So what do you do? You resort to murder, and in your mind you justify it as halfway self-defense, so you're able to bring yourself to do it.

Hence, a person who would've "just" been raped is now dead as well.
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Your average child molester victimizes what, more than a hundred kids? What if, to prevent them from testifying 5-10 years down the road, he killed all of them and dumped their bodies in the woods?
Now instead of a hundred traumatized kids, you have a hundred dead kids. Now consider how many child molesters there are in total.
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YYW once did a post on this topic. He put it like this:
What is the relevance?


Your average child molester victimizes what, more than a hundred kids?
Beware of shallow statistical analyses. Is it reasonable to assume that you catch every child molester and on average they have molested hundreds of kids, or is it reasonable to assume that those who molest tons of kids (and indeed kidnap and murder kids) are far far far more likely to be caught?

I think most adult-child sexual interactions probably go undiscovered and that there are two strategies for not getting caught:

1.) You just kill all the witnesses
2.) You make yourself loom large in the kid's life with favors and emotional support so that you can guilt trip them into keeping the secret, even as an adult

(2) is probably far far more common.

I am pointing this out, because if you get the dynamic wrong you can change the law and get the opposite of intended effect. If for instance you just straight up execute anyone accused you're raising the risks involved seriously potentially converting some of (2) to (1) and then you end up with more dead kids.

This is not a subject with simple answer, and even if you had all the data and could predict human behavior well you would still need to decide how bad molestation is vs being murdered.

i.e. how many "unavenged" molested kids are worth one "unavenged" raped then murdered kid.