Abortion argument

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If someone wants to smoke tobacco, then should they be allowed to do so? Yes.

Should they be allowed to rob you to satisfy their tobacco addiction? No.

But their body, their choice? Unless we accept that bodily autonomy is worth less than $8 for a pack of tobacco, and therefore, worth less than a baby's life (because a baby's life is worth more than $8).

If a woman doesn't want pregnancy, then she should make sure her bf has a vasectomy before they have sex.

I'm anti-abortion (I think abortion should be punished with community service) and I'm getting a vasectomy before I have sex with any woman that can get pregnant.
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Just get yourself a boyfriend.

Different modus operandi

Same end result.


A word to the wise.

Don't be fooled into thinking that things will be quite the same after vasectomy.


And anyway, who's is going to perpetuate the master race?



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Shouldn't have sex. This whole thing is an issue from the misuse of the human body.

Abortion according to the body is misuse. Using sex trying to remove it's function is misuse according to the body.

Vasectomy is just another method indirect to abortion. Destroys the same pathway from each side of the reproductive spectrum.

Being against abortion but for vasectomy is conflicting.
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@TheUnderdog
If someone wants to smoke tobacco, then should they be allowed to do so? Yes.

Should they be allowed to rob you to satisfy their tobacco addiction? No.
Smoking is an action, that's not comparable to a physical state where you are sacrificing your well being and risking your health.
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Don't be fooled into thinking that things will be quite the same after vasectomy.
Why?
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Just get yourself a boyfriend
A femboy boyfriend so its not gay.

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Being against abortion but for vasectomy is conflicting.
It's not as vasectomies reduce the abortion rate.
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Smoking is an action, that's not comparable to a physical state where you are sacrificing your well being and risking your health.
Smoking is an addictive action; recreational sex is an addictive action.  Totally legal to do; but the moment the smoker harms someone else in the name of their addiction (or the pregnant person), then it becomes a problem that should be illegal.
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Real question, you are aware that there are options for birth control that aren't abortion and vasectomies, right? These simplistic dichotomies you set up are something else bro. Comparing cigarettes to abortion is quite a choice. 
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 you are aware that there are options for birth control that aren't abortion and vasectomies, right
They aren't reasonably close to 100% effective.  It's easily possible for someone to use a condom and get a pregnancy over the course of several years.

There is a 98% annual success rate for condoms if used perfectly.  But people have sex for multiple years without wanting a kid.  Lets say it's 12 years.

.98^12=78.5% chance of avoiding pregnancy all those years.

The odds of surviving a generic Russian Roulette round is higher than that.

I don't like playing stupid games, so I'm getting the vasectomy before I have sex with a woman that can get pregnant.
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You know what, based on what I've seen, I think I agree. You should definitely get a vasectomy. 

Explain to me why the probability over twelve years is 78% again. You start with a birth control that's 99% effective in year one, then in year five, how effective is this birth control?
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You know what, based on what I've seen, I think I agree. You should definitely get a vasectomy. 
You are correct (as should every anti abortion man before they have sex with a person that can get pregnant), but I want to store pre vasectomy sperm in a hospital freezer if I ever want biological kids with my genes.

Explain to me why the probability over twelve years is 78% again. 
98% efficacy for one year.

.98^12=.785.

I majoring in Stats; I know what I'm talking about.
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Smoking is an addictive action; recreational sex is an addictive action.  Totally legal to do; but the moment the smoker harms someone else in the name of their addiction (or the pregnant person), then it becomes a problem that should be illegal.
So you're advocating for outlawing sex?
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Abortion and cigarettes have their comparisons sure enough.

There are plenty of analogies to depict how the body is used in a fashion not setup for.
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So you're advocating for outlawing sex?
Nope; just like I think it should be legal to do tobacco.  I just think recreational sex without a vasectomy is a bad idea, just like smoking.
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Because things function differently.

Sort of OK, but not the same.
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Plenty of analogies.

Abortion and any sort of medical or surgical intervention, for example.
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I think that's a rumor; although I can raw dog with a vasectomy.
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For example , smoking tobacco, poor diet, drinking liquor, anal sex, oral sex, lack of proper physical exercise according to the human body, all not setup for, all misuses.
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Others need to keep their friggin nose out of pregnant womans bodily business, unless she asks for their assistance. Simple in regards to abortion. Not complex or difficult or controversial morality truth.

All else is misguided perverts. Also simple, ergo, not complex to grasp.
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You aren't changing my mind bud because you don't address my arguments.  You just have a closed mind on the subject, so I aim to do that with you.
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I speak from experience.
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Hmmmm.

As ever,

Begs the age old question.

Of what use is the human mass.

Heterosexual procreation for heterosexual procreations sake.

Or a greater evolutionary purpose.


If we actually knew the answer, we would actually know the answer.
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You aren't changing my mind bud because you don't address my arguments.  You just have a closed mind on the subject, so I aim to do that with you.
Perverted right makes right. sick-n-head thinking.

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We know based on the function and structure of our bodies.
This is how you know the function of anything.
You can accept that or ignore that and say ",I don't care".
In order for people to do whatever they want, they have to care more or have to not care about anything else but personal whim and self gratification.
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Perverted right makes right. sick-n-head thinking.

Keep on being a whiny irrelevant bitch to half the country.
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For sure.

We have evolved in a certain way and will carry on doing so.

Though whether or not this process is overseen by a greater authority, or has any greater purpose, is unknown.

As things stand, we can either assume that personal whim and gratification is or is not a necessary part of the process.

If not, we still  have to assume that personal whim and gratification, maybe either right or wrong.

Take your pick.

But what you choose to conclude, is based upon your whims and need for personal gratification. 

Same applies to me of course.
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"But what you choose to conclude, is based upon your whims and need for personal gratification. 

Same applies to me of course."



Just to simplify your point.



Are you basically saying do what you want to do?

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Of course.

I would not assume the right to tell you what to think or do.


Obviously societies have laws that their members must adhere to.

But I have no control over those sorts of decisions anyway.
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Do you believe there's a correct and incorrect way to do things or do you only believe things can be done just any old way without any order to them at all?