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  • janesix
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    How do you know Jesus is real?
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    Because The Word of God is The Truth, and I know The Truth is real.

    Jesus Christ is The Word of God.





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    But how do you know that?

    Have you ever had Jesus talk to you?

    Have you felt His presence? 

    How has Jesus worked in your life?

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    I know because that is what Orthodox Christianity teaches, and as I accept that I can see how it is true.

    Jesus certainly talks to me, I'd wager that is how I am able to experience anything at all!

    It is hard for me to deny the presence, as there is not a thing created that was created apart from Him, enlivened by The Holy Spirit.

    To God be all the glory.


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    So if you have not really experienced the reality of Jesus in any personal, experiencial way, I don't understand why you believe.
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    Of course I have, but how do you know that without knowing who Jesus is?
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    I would recognise His presence if He came to me.
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    Yet it is written,

    "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not."

    So would it be that strange for someone to not recognize his presence? Really wouldn't be.



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    Yet you claim to. why wouldn't i recognize Him?
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    Since you do not see, that shows you do not know.


    It is written

    "Blessed are the pure in heart, they will see God".

    And so that is what you should strive for. Purity of heart.
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    Not sure how I'm supposed to accomplish that, or even what that means.
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    Cleanse your intellect. Honestly examine yourself, and discard the things that get in the way of The Truth. Pay attention to the things that motivate you especially. To purify the heart is to rid yourself of idolatries.

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    ok.
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    NICE TRY !   As the DEBATE regarding "GOD" as an acronym for G- genius  O- of    D- deception  continues .....YOU and this classic back and forth 

    over VALIDATION of some "GOD"  in this case JESUS cannot be debated...the so called BELIEVER is totally HYPNOTIZED to respond with the 
    BRAINWASHED response of it is written...the ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY Clown ?..( some Church parasite preacher, family member, their Comic Book Bible version ? +++ )  no matter..this HYPNOTIZED sheeple slave drone of some ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN CULT that has gotten between his/her ears and is so entrenched in their neural network.......this person's ability to think and reason critically has been completely NEUTRALIZED....JESUS is one of many planted trigger words that will garner the same response...no details...no explanation...nothing will be expanded upon...THE ORTHODOX CHURCH says so...that's it...ZERO...NADA !

    You are totally wasting your time and effort with a HYPNOTIZED drone....they are programmed to OBEY..do as they are told...no more no less...
    this person is literally a ZOMBIE....and this is why the "GOD" deception / delusion must be revealed...so those not trapped and HYPNOTIZED
    will be TRULY SAVED from this horrific CHURCH PARASITE maze without an EXIT....


    the same process occurs when MOMMY tells her young child about Santa Claus....the child will argue with anyone who does not agree that Santa is real...cause MOMMY SAYS SO !  .......In that scenario MOMMY is "GOD" an irrefutable source of the TRUTH !   

    If the ORTHODOX parasite Vampires said ...YOU DO NOT HAVE A BRAIN...just a direct connection to GOD....OBEY and do as we tell you...it is written in the BOOK of GOD....it says...OBEY the Preacher Clown in the Halloween Glory Gown..for he is GOD.....(at least acts like one !)

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    Actually, I came to Orthodox Christianity on my own, I certainly wasn't brainwashed.

    I don't think you are treating me fairly or with respect. You seem to have a lot of prejudice.

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    I don't think you are treating me fairly or with respect.
    You come to a public forum calling everyone who doesn't agree with your insane beliefs idiots and morons. You don't deserve respect.

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    If you say that The Ultimate Reality doesn't exist, you have certainly adopted a futile position.


    I don't care if you respect me. You should respect God. 

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    I don't care if you respect me. You should respect God. 
    Sorry, I don't respect your God.

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    Well well, quite a DEBATE ?  not really most responders are flashing 1 to 2 liners that have ZERO substance....

    What is obvious is that most humans that attach the word "CHRISTIAN" to their identity know nothing of the
    JESUS boy hoax....they are totally brainwashed by expert mind and life molesters who are not concerned
    with the wellness of their VICTIM but more dedicated to culling the weak minded human into some CULT

    The goal for the PUSHERS (yes like and worse than drug dealers) of JESUS is to HYPNOTIZE the person to
    further the Parasite Vampire Church sheeple count...why do you think there are so many CHURCHES ?

    for health and wellness...FOOL...to dumb down the masses and create CONFLICT and DISRUPTION...

    Only the CHRISTIAN (fake label) with the JESUS ploy have so many different Church types...look up the
    hundreds of JESUS abusing CHURCH farce organizations....it's like a plague on humanity...most are 
    obsessed with MONEY and POWER...using TV and RADIO to bolster head count and sheeple payments

    Try putting Jehovah's Witness, latter Day, 7th Day, lutheran, Baptist, protestant, Unitarian, +++ to many to count
    then add the mega church clowns and the TELE VAMPIRES on TV and Radio..WOW ! is right ...no GOD.. 
    is so exploited like this Jesus farce...

    All of these JESUS PARASITES IN ONE ROOM...and all HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE ! ..as they all fight over 
    having to BE RIGHT...and the rest are accused of being false witnesses !    what a JOKE....

    Even JESUS would pass out over the utter insanity of what these CON ARTIST LYING SCUM have done in his
    name and with his name...

    No matter most Christian liar scum will say and do anything to defend their CHURCH CULT...it's that bad
    ...JESUS NEVER came up with the DOGMA these Parasite Vampire Psychopaths have to control their
    FLOCK of FOOLS...

    These Vampire Church Clowns in halloween Glory Gowns create the ultimate OUTS for the CHRISTIAN
    sheeple drone...no matter what the idiot drone does he/she can repent, confess, be born again +++
    then make a donation !   now go home and beat your wife and kids and celebrate with a bottle of whiskey
    PRAISE JESUS !   this just one of hundreds of ways the CHRISTIAN LIAR uses Jesus as a scapegoat...

    Ever see Buddhist running around condemning people for not accepting them...?  how about the Hare Krishna
    ...NEVER...and so many other non violent and assimilation obsessed spiritualities...

    Christianity is a DISGRACE...the JEWS condemned and set up this reasonable guy in his time as a scapegoat
    they accused him of being a false MESSIAH...or that's what they say...perhaps this guy was just a hoax..a way
    for the JEWS to gain prominence in ROMAN society and not have to accept the ROMAN GODS ?   Tiberius 
    was near the end of his reign...the JEWS were concerned with who was next..they could be targeted and face
    the same fate as the CHRISTIANS in the ARENA ?   so focus attention on the fake MESSIAH..one less problem
    for ROME .....and JESUS in classic Grand Roman spectacle was EXECUTED...then conveniently disappeared !

    Who knows...there were many similar Jesus stories told by other civilizations in the Middle East long before
    Moses...the JEWS certainly used many aspects of these stories to build their "GOD"   

    They sure did not want some kid to show up and disrupt their fortunes....MONEY was a big factor..the JEWS were
    money traders...DAH...who is behind the Global banking system DAH !

    Anyway, the point is 99% of CHRISTIANS are HYPNOTIZED slave drones of some clever Church and Bible vomiting
    BOZO....they are clueless of history..and brainwashed to shut up and OBEY or be PUNISHED...

    Christianity works for the true DUMB ASS...the impoverished illiterate, the peasants, the masses of just plain stupid asses...look at most
    of them...IT FITS....they believe whatever some Comic Book Bible farce and BOZO preacher in a halloween Glory Gown  tells them....

    It's great theater for weak minded humans....easily HYPNOTIZED to serve and slave over some Jewish kid sacrificed long ago
    by his own people....out of GREED and SELFISHNESS.....

    the Roman Empire continues....it's cloaked behind the JESUS Hoax......just look closely at the CHURCH evolution...even the word
    "GOD" was invented by this Church around 400 AD...used in translation of the hebrew/greek Bible into GOTHIC...prior to 400 AD
    YES...that is 400 years after JESUS MURDER by ROME..they coined the word "GOD"  just google and see for yourself...

    The word "GOD" never existed for 6000 years + of recorded world history !  the HALAF culture was thriving 6000 BC in  SYRIA-TURKEY-IRAQ
    no GOD word existed...from then till 400 AD  6000 years later !    the CATHOLIC CHURCH invented the word !   just like they invented JESUS !

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    How do you know Jesus is real?

    I would say there a few factors that indicate this was an actual event, not a fabrication and that Jesus was an actual historical figure. A spiritual Master who came to change the face of religion. And did so. 

    1. There is no proven motivation or any reason why some random writers would invent a rebel outcast spiritual figure like Jesus, the outcome and punishments of that time were not worth the effort to do so. Can you give me a legit motive or reason the writers would have had to concoct such a story? when I read the Gospels it seems pretty genuine to me, and most of the arguments I've heard in favor of rejecting them as good evidence are not very convincing. If the Gospels are somehow genuine, then they indeed count as evidence. 

    2. I don't think the Gospels would have made it this far if they were indeed a fabrication. 

    3. The actual contents of the writings, they are indeed magical. Any spiritual person would recognize the actual contents of the messages are masterful, only a true spiritual Master could convey such a perfect, flawless work, and the writers themselves don't seem to meet that description. Why would anyone not want generations worth of credit and worship? only to give it away to some fictional character like Jesus? 

    4. The accounts of the Gospels are very honest and down to earth, they don't come across as being a lie or some fabrication even if the authors made mistakes it comes across as very genuine, just my opinion of course. It just doesn't write like a true fictional story to me. I believe the authors believed what they wrote even if they made obvious errors. Hence, Jesus was most likely real. It's just that the material we have is imperfect and so what? it's all written works of testimonial based evidences. 
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    None of what you say is applicable to The Orthodox Church, which is the true church that has existed since the very beginning. The Apostolic church.


    That being the case, you are basically judging pascifism as a murderous ideology because a group calling themselves the pacifists decided to go on a killing spree.

    I am here to clear up your misconceptions.
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    IF ?  and it is sadly very RARE...that an person who attaches the CHRISTIAN LABEL to their identity is the essence of what this JESUS character
    seemed to message to the peasants of his time...

    ..........The concept of the JESUS message is very simple...it is in line with other spiritual perspectives..i.e Buddhism, Jainism, Krishna, in that
    VIOLENCE is not an option in the pursuit of SALVATION/ENLIGHTENMENT ?  and the condemnation of anyone for NOT ACCEPTING his teachings also were NOT PUNISHABLE..

    .He seemed to have an OPEN DOOR for any one at anytime regardless of SOCIETY STATUS...no judgement was  ever imposed on anyone who showed an interest in his teachings...all were welcome..this rarely happens without some CATCH by Christian Parasite Vampires

    Ultimately his message resonated with the INDIVIDUAL THEMSELVES becoming a point of LIGHT...a POINT of INSPIRATION.....without
    attaching anything to others regardless of how they respond to them,,,,all are welcome...NEVER is FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE an
    option in the offering of goodwill...and good health...of their MESSAGE ..no church..bible...dogma VOMIT necessary..EVER...

    ........in essence JESUS is not the go to entity in which all must fall on the floor and beg for salvation...that is the stuff of the PARASITE VAMPIRE
    PSYCHOPATHS of most Churches who seek POWER and CONTROL over those they have HYPNOTIZED into their CULTS...and ultimately pass
    on this... "DO as we say and OBEY or be PUNISHED".. insanity....JESUS himself would be PISSED at this total abuse of humanity for using him this way....

    YOU are the LIGHT and the WAY.. not as a GOD or playing GOD...but just for existing and facilitating this GOODWILL without ATTACHMENT...
    and not by VOMITING his name and forcing others to capitulate to their control and validation using his name as a buffer tool...

    SADLY 99% of the so called CHRISTIANS are nothing more than HYPNOTIZED sheeple drones conditioned to OBEY some idiot that plays GOD
    ..especially those Parasite Vampires that VOMIT Bible verse garbage along with obsolete Dogma to destroy free will thinking and living and enslave
    weak minded humans into servitude of a Church CULT...

    JESUS becomes their scapegoat...used as the fall guy for everything...they totally abuse and miss the point of JESUS MESSAGE...control is what
    these VAMPIRES want...of your mind and life....

    NEVER once in any FORUM has a so called CHRISTIAN spoke the language and resonated as a POINT OF LIGHT.....point of inspiration without
    judgement and attachment to anything.......N E V E R...

    Just petty FOOLS who use Jesus and their Parasite vampire Church programming and hypnosis to argue..to create conflict...anything to prove they are RIGHT to anyone
    that does not agree with their idiotic brainwashed responses....THEY are TOTALLY faithless...just actors on the Glory stage...FAKE as EVER !


    JESUS spits on these con artists who use his name for EGO gratification...they are narrow minded and hypnotized...and have no message...or 
    BELIEF....just playing games with the MINDS and LIVES of others....the essence of a PARASITE VAMPIRE....

    You know nothing of your JESUS message...a pawn of this Parasite Vampire Church...nothing more....in DARKNESS you are...BLINDED by their
    brainwashing and HYPNOSIS.....

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    Are you an automated machine or do you actually have a normal, thought out objective here? you seem fixated on a certain formation of paragraphs, words and phrases and never do you sway from it. It's quite disturbing actually. Shock us all and write something different, for Gods sake something, anything....and perhaps pretend the caps lock key is broken. It's hard to read anything when one is being screamed at constantly. 
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    Look, I will simplify it for you because you are clearly very confused.

    Christianity is Truth worship. Our religion is built around worshipping The Truth. 
    Now you can go from here in one of two ways. You can presume you knoow, and in your lack of charity dismiss what I say and continue to deceive while being deceived, or you can consider that maybe I'm telling you the truth and there is something very integral that you are missing.



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    Are you an automated machine or do you actually have a normal, thought out objective here? you seem fixated on a certain formation of paragraphs, words and phrases and never do you sway from it. It's quite disturbing actually.
    You just described yourself.