Can we comprehend God?

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    I can't.
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    Can you understand the meaning of the word God?
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    no i cant
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    How can something meaningless exist?
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    I didn't say that.

    Other people might understand the "meaning" of the word God. I know almost nothing about God. 
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    Do you think God exists?
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    Yes

    Do you?
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    Yes but we need to understand the meaning of the term God before believing. If we can't understand the meaning of something, like "Garpokdalp", we can't say we believe that Garpokdalp exists.
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    We comprehend Him in three ways that I know of, to the extent that He has revealed Himself in what has been made (the creation/universe), by His written revelation of Himself (the Bible), and via His Son and His Spirit. The Son and Spirit speak from their consciousness to ours. The third would be akin to me knowing you to the extent that you express yourself to me by your thoughts through our correspondence. If you deny God the third does not manifest itself to you in an intimate way in which God confirms His presence via life situations, nor does He relay the deeper meaning of Scripture, the spiritual significance found in the OT and disclosed in the NT that points to the Son (Luke 24:44). When you deny God, you put an idol or false belief in His place and close down that intimate knowledge (Romans 1:18-26).
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    If you want to comprehend God, just read the Bible. God is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

    Easy peasy.
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    I have doubts that God is the God of the bible
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    What makes you think the bible is God's word
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    If you want to comprehend God, just read the Bible. God is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
    Heh. Straight out of The God Delusion.

    I also liked his description of the deist God.

    "Compared with the Old Testament's psychotic delinquent, the deist God of the eighteen-century Enlightenment is an altogether grander being: worthy of his cosmic creation, loftily unconcerned with human affairs, sublimely aloof from our private thoughts and hopes, caring nothing for our messy sins or mumbled contritions.

    The deist God is a physicist to end all physics, the alpha and omega of mathematicians, the apotheosis of designers; a hyper-engineer who set up the laws and constants of the universe, fine-turned them with exquisite precision and foreknowledge, detonated what we would now call the hot big bang, retired and was never heard from again."
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    Reason and logic.

    Its words give reasons that very often can be confirmed to a reasonable degree.

    It makes sense were as other worldviews do not.
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    God has always been presented to me as beyond my comprehension. So no, I obviously cannot comprehend what is beyond my comprehension.
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    @PGA2.0 Pretty good answer. In theory, the comprehension would come from contemplation of the word, which makes it personally interpretative, which makes it inconsistent being that personal interpretation is subjective, which explains the hundreds of different Christian denominations, which out right proves that if God indeed guided the hands of the authors of the bible, then he's either full of shit, or he's very, very imperfect.

    @Goldtop Probably the absolute best description of the Christian god I've ever read, though you didn't actually answer his question.

    I conclude that PGA's answer was the best.


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    Jane, I have doubts of what anyone past, present or future would say about any gods. Since Hominids began to evolve, their brains tripled in size and peaked about a half million years ago, self awareness and their own mortality began taking shape and continued up to the point they left Africa some 50K years ago, its been part of their psyche a long time.

    If this wan't hard evidence showing the concept of gods were man made, I don't know what would be.
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    My sources in the past gave the impression that 500,000 years ago hominids are nearing modern tolerance, more so up into 100,000-35,000 and brain size generally "peaked" 10,000 - 20,000 ranging upwards of 30,000+ years ago.  What are you using for reference? 
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    Obviously you can't totally know God. If you did, you would know everything about everything. That is certainly beyond the capability of man.


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    All these atheists talk of created gods, but they can't even approach God, The Ultimate Reality, who cannot be created.
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    Call your man made god whatever you like, it's still man made as are all gods.
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    "Pretty good answer. In theory, the comprehension would come from contemplation of the word, which makes it personally interpretative, which makes it inconsistent being that personal interpretation is subjective, which explains the hundreds of different Christian denominations, which out right proves that if God indeed guided the hands of the authors of the bible, then he's either full of shit, or he's very, very imperfect."

    Thanks for the vote of confidence (I think)! (^8

    While personal interpretation can be subjective there is a true meaning for correspondence to take place. You have to understand the author's meaning. To understand the Bible you have to understand what the Author/authors has/have said. Unfortunately, this is seldom done. Understanding the culture of the times, the audience of address, and the timeframe is a must. Determining the different types of language such as for instance figurative, apocalyptic, poetic, or literal narrative is also essential. 

    While denominationalism is a problem there is a bond between true Christians that foregoes these lines of distinction because there are essentials that cannot be compromised and a person still be a Christian. 

    God has given His word which is everything we need for salvation and a relationship with Him. 

    As for His imperfection, that is your opinion, not mine. He expresses it better than I could:

    Isaiah 55:8-11

    “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
    Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
    “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
    So are My ways higher than your ways
    And My thoughts than your thoughts.
    10 “For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
    And do not return there without watering the earth
    And making it bear and sprout,
    And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
    11 So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
    It will not return to Me empty,
    Without accomplishing what I desire,
    And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.

    God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. They find meaning in what He says, and what He says is reasonable and logical when rightly interpreted. It all comes together and fits like an OJ glove! (^8






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    Your quote really has nothing to do with being proud or humble, but I'll comment on that: There is absolutely nothing logically wrong with being proud of something. Pride is very useful. It helps us do better work, be better people, and find happiness in simple things. Why would a benevolent god shun such a thing? Your god not only shuns it, but calls it a cardinal sin! Ridiculous.

    Anyway, yes of course I understand what you're saying. This is why I said you answered it best. I simply disagree with you wholly.
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    Your quote really has nothing to do with being proud or humble, but I'll comment on that: There is absolutely nothing logically wrong with being proud of something. Pride is very useful. It helps us do better work, be better people, and find happiness in simple things. Why would a benevolent god shun such a thing? Your god not only shuns it, but calls it a cardinal sin! Ridiculous.
    That is not the kind of pride I'm speaking of. You speak of pride in the positive sense. I totally agree with that kind of pride. I'm speaking of pride in the negative sense, or arrogant boasting might be another way of expressing it. Pride in the negative sense puts itself first. It creates itself or something else as the idol, the thing it puts in place of God. 

    If you take a look at my context I said that God opposes or resists the proud, those who are arrogant and boastful; the ones who deny Him.  

    God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. - Me

    Negative sense: James 4:6
    But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”


    You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

    Strong's: 
    Definition
    1. showing one's self above others, overtopping, conspicuous above others, pre-eminent
    2. with an overweening estimate of one's means or merits, despising others or even treating them with contempt, haughty

    Proud, arrogant, disdainful. From huper and phaino; appearing above others, i.e. haughty.



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    Positive sense:  2 Corinthians 1:14
    just as you also partially did understand us, that we are your reason to be proud as you also are ours, in the day of our Lord Jesus.

    Cognate: 2745 kaúxēma (a neuter noun) – boasting, focusing on the results of exulting/boasting (note the -ma suffix). This boasting (exulting) is always positive when it is in the Lord, and always negative when based on self.

    therefore, we ourselves speak proudly of you among the churches of God for your perseverance and faith in the midst of all your persecutions and afflictions which you endure.

    The Greek words for the two kinds of pride are different.