Is it the theory of evolution or evolution?

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Striving to disprove species evolution theory is like striving to disprove deistic creation theory.

Heads and brick walls come to mind.

Personally I see creation and consequent evolution to be reasonably compatible ideas.

Whereas, middle eastern fantasy folk tales are just a part of the greater process of material evolution.

And material evolution is clearly a fact, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.


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Nobody has been able to prove a thing becoming a complete human but tout that it's fact. You have one individual on here confusing folks of a fact and theory being the same.
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Darwin's original hypothesis has undergone extensive modification and expansion, but the central concepts stand firm. Studies in genetics and molecular biology—fields unknown in Darwin's time—have explained the occurrence of the hereditary variations that are essential to natural selection. Genetic variations result from changes, or mutations, in the nucleotide sequence of DNA, the molecule that genes are made from. Such changes in DNA now can be detected and described with great precision.
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When you Google search this, that's just what the definition comes out to. All the synonyms are of an idea, premise, presupposition, proposition, etc.

The antonym is fact.
The first definition when you Google the word theory is exactly what I and everyone else here has been explaining to you all thread; a theory is a framework for explaining a set of facts.

But again, the conversation here has nothing to do with how it is used most often colloquially which is what dictionaries will moreso reflect. The question here is how the word is used in science, because "the theory of evolution" is a scientific term.

This is very much like the word guilty, which in any normal context just means "he did it" but in a courtroom the word guilty specifically means "proven beyond a reasonable doubt by a unanimous jury verdict". Same word, but in a courtroom it is a much higher standard.

Theory means just that but in the world of professionals who practice and adhere to the principals of science.

any form of reasoning based on a subset of facts to come to a conclusion doesn't necessarily make the conclusion fact
All men are mortal.

Socrates is a man.

If both of these sentences are facts, wouldn't it follow that it is also a fact that Socrates is mortal?

It stands to reason that if evolution was fact, many religions would be shut down by now.
Most modern religions are based on the idea that 2,000 years ago a man rose from the dead. You can't possibly believe any scientific discovery will change the way religious people think.

A wise man once said "you can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themself into"
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For sure, whereby the word belief gets introduced into the equation.

To wit, their are millions of people who bow to the idea that belief = fact.


As I see it:

Species developed from what?

Species were created from what?

Both questions ask the same thing.

Both evolved from something.

Just as knowledge and intellect evolved from potentially nothing,

Just as a supreme being must have too.
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You guys really think there’s still a chance he will get it? 
He is either fucking with us or his brain cannot process the information given to him. Either way its a waste of time imo.
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But is a theory a fact itself? 

Forget about explaining other facts. I think this is what many of you are stumbling with.
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By all means don't waste your time.
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Ok an hypothesis.
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Yeah beliefs and facts are one in the same, theories, etc, I'm being told. 
Some.gettimg bent of shape, frustrated struggling to prove something they can't.
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Ok then lets say you’re not a troll. Do you want to learn anything about evolution or do you want to talk about the word “theory” and what does it mean?

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It doesn't matter. Evolution is not a proven fact point blank period.
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Ok it is not a fact, are you capable of moving past that?
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But is a theory a fact itself? 
If you are not capable of processing the answer to this question as anything other than a yes or a no, then the answer is yes, a theory (in science) is a proven fact.

In the real world however, things are more nuanced than that.
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Some.gettimg bent of shape, frustrated struggling to prove something they can't.
It's not them that are struggling. All you're doing here is closing your eyes and plugging your ears to every piece of information being thrown at you, and then boasting because no one can get you to accept the information.

If you don't want to understand anything about this subject that's on you, not on anyone else.
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Ok this is not what I'm reading on Google point blank period.
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Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.
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Why? Where we moving to ?
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Either way it’s a waste of time imo.
Bingo, baggins! It is BK’s MO to waste people’s time. Or, in this case, BK’s alter ego aka “BK at the Mall.”

The contested thought process can be summarized thusly:

“Theory =/= fact
Fact = true information 
Ergo Theory =/= true information.”

This is why I like to say that there only 2 types of thinking: binary and non binary!


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Even though a theoretical proposition might actually be factually correct.

In terms of stand alone words and their  definitions, theory and fact are not synonymous.





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Ok this is not what I'm reading on Google point blank period.
What isn't? 
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There you go.
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Please rephrase.
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There you go.
Our posts did not conflict with each other.

Please rephrase.
You said "this is not what I'm reading on Google". What is not? Why would you say something like that and not show what you are reading? It's almost as if you are not actually interested in a good faith productive conversation.
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"Upon the google engine search for theory:
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

So a supposition or uncertain belief is what it is because facts have not been reached. There's no certainty in the absence of facts.
When there's uncertainty there's nothing known to be correct."

Alright.