Only anarchy is the true freedom!

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I have been thinking about what system is the best, and I am certain its anarchy.

From basics, doing whatever you want with your body is the most desirable state of things you can possibly have while not attacking others.

You dont want the government to be vaccinating you against your will, or telling you what you are allowed to say.

Basically, almost everyone wants to own their own body.

The only difference between an anarch and someone else is that anarch only claims ownership of his own body, where others feel the need to own other people as well.

Thus, government in its current form violates person's body in several ways:

1. Through laws which force vaccinations and circumcision, as well as forced education, and other forms of body violation, as well as limiting free speech and limiting what person can do with their own property, buisness and body.

2. Through taxes which forcefully take from those who work and gives it to those who dont, thus diminishing wealth of those who are taxed.

3. Through copyright - person cannot use some idea or make a copy of a product simply because someone claims "intellectual ownership".

4. Through element of force - government can use force against you if you do anything government claims to be illegal, and government determines what is illegal. 

5. Through teaching of force - government sets the example that force is okay, thus it openly says "force is okay", therefore educating people to use even more force.

6. Through intervention in personal life - government does many interventions in people's personal lives, thus controlling personal lives, but government also teaches that its okay to control other people's lives and sets an example for violators to follow.

All governments are failures simply because they start from a false premise.

Each government starts from the premise that it can own other people's bodies. That is the premise of every government. Thus, every government is essentially slavery.

Yet for person to live a life as he wants, he must own his own body.

So government's premise is in complete contradiction with the condition for person to live a life as he wants.

Clearly, government cannot exist without violating people's bodies and claiming ownership of other person's body.

Every anarch can exist without claiming ownership of someone else's body.

In fact, people dont become anarchs because of selfish purposes, but rather the very basis of anarchy is built on refusing to own other people's bodies.

Anarch merely respects that which government doesnt: your absolute ownership of your own body.

Anarch can exist without violating other person's body, since that is the premise of anarchy.

Government cannot exist without violating other person's body, since its very premise claims right to do so.
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You are correct, however, pure freedom is like pure oxygen; very bad.  Pure freedom means murder is legal, rape is legal, people aren't forced to fund road infrastructure (so now you can't drive) and other stuff.

I like freedom and it should be expanded on many social issues (weed, guns, cutting back on war spending) , but there are limits to how much freedom I support.

 2. Through taxes which forcefully take from those who work and gives it to those who dont, thus diminishing wealth of those who are taxed.
This tends to be the raising taxes on the globalists and they will regenerate the money quickly.


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That's great if every country plays along, but not if Putin or Kim Jong Un sees it as an opportunity to attack. I'm not sure how environmentalists, teachers, and feminists are going to defend against nukes.

Specialists in language, culture and politics are in high demand. They put their skills towards making links with groups in other countries, especially groups resisting repressive governments — indeed any governments that might become aggressive.
If they haven't been able to do this before, I'm not sure how they would now. A common theme with most of the things necessary here. The US announced they were withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, and all of the things listed did not prevent the Taliban from taking over.
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I'm not sure how environmentalists, teachers, and feminists are going to defend against nukes.
Lol they probably wont. I am more on the side of Tao anarchy, but in case of defense, every individual can defend himself or they can do it as a group  as long as enemy isnt too strong. Sure, it might not work, but if it does, anarchy is upheld and if it does not, you just get government again, so its not really possible to make it worse than it is now. Besides, Tao anarchy, or anarchy in general, is not a system meant for war. It spreads through ideas, not violence. It is supposed to deter attackers by having armed population, abolish governments through disobedience to them, and install anarchy by making each or most of individuals into anarchs. So if most people in the world become anarchs, it would be difficult if not impossible for minority of oppressors to defeat them. But every additional anarch in the world brings benefits to the world.
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Society only works if it is managed.

Therefore, if a society is to work successfully, then managers are required.

And I would suggest that the majority of people actually prefer a managed society.

Philosophical tosh is the freedom to overthink in a managed society.
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Society only works if it is managed
No, society only works if people own their bodies, and as we can see, current societies dont have that, thus they dont work very well.

All current societies are failed societies, since they are built on the premise of slavery being okay.

You wouldnt want for anyone to manage your life for you, so I dont see why pay government to violate other people's bodies.
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Your confusing society and the individual.

And society evolves like everything else, so society is what it has become and therefore cannot have failed...Slavery was/is an evolutionary phase.

My life up until now, has been very comfortable thank you...Because I live in a comparatively stable society.


Anarchy will not work , because human nature dictates that leaders and subordinates will inevitably emerge from the chaos.
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My life up until now, has been very comfortable thank you...Because I live in a comparatively stable society
Well, some people like being slaves. It makes them comfortable.

Anarchy will not work , because human nature dictates that leaders and subordinates will inevitably emerge from the chaos
Actually, if entire population is made out of anarchs, then everyone will respect the non-aggression principle, so everything will be fine.
If just 1 person in the world is an anarch, then thats 1 additional person who wont violate others.

So you could say anarchy works as long as there is at least 1 anarch.
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Anarchy will not work , because human nature dictates that leaders and subordinates will inevitably emerge from the chaos.
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Some people like some sort of social order.

So, who would I be a slave to...A government is as much a slave of the people as the people are a slave of the government.


And 

IF.
Yep, big IF.


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1 Anarch.
Yep. One person claiming to be an Anarch, who will undoubtedly expect all the benefits and provisions of an ordered society.
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So, who would I be a slave to...A government is as much a slave of the people as the people are a slave of the government.
If both are slaves, it doesnt lead to conclusion that none are slaves. Plus, what you are saying doesnt even apply to all individuals universally. Government is not my slave in any way.

As I said before, some people like being slaves and like paying to government to make other people slaves as well.

Yep, big IF.
Yeah, it seems that anarchy only works if people want it, same as any other system.

So if people dont want anarchy, it just means people are morally corrupt, kinda like when people reject the good and desire the bad.

One person claiming to be an Anarch, who will undoubtedly expect all the benefits and provisions of an ordered society
There are no plenty of benefits in being a slave, its mostly just negative, but its not a choice either for that one person.
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So, you are saying that your governed society provides you with absolutely nothing of benefit, and that you take absolutely nothing that your governed society provides? 
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you are saying that your governed society provides you with absolutely nothing of benefit
No, I am not saying that there are no benefits. But after forced circumcision, forced vaccines, forced taxes, forced school, and other forms of body violation, there are no benefits which really matter.

take absolutely nothing that your governed society provides?
You are moving the goalpost from government to society. No one here was even arguing that society shouldnt exist.
But if you meant that I take nothing from government, you would have to point out what is it that I take from the government.
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You have this jaundiced idea that "Government" is somehow an alien species that is out to get you...Sort of shape-shifting anti-social space lizards.

Rather than just people who run the show , because:

A. That is their chosen career path.

And:

B. They are a tad more successful than you.



Hypothetical scenario:

Society says OK Mr Best Korea, so you are not happy with being a member of a governed society.

Therefore we will grant you your anarchic wish, and will will drop you and some fellow anarchs on a remote deserted island that has plenty of natural resources.

What are you going to do.




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You have this jaundiced idea that "Government" is somehow an alien species that is out to get you...Sort of shape-shifting anti-social space lizards
I didnt say any of that. What I did say was that it is slavery.

Rather than just people who run the show , because:
A. That is their chosen career path.
And:
B. They are a tad more successful than you
I dont see how any of that justifies slavery. Could you tell us how A and B justify slavery?

Society says OK Mr Best Korea, so you are not happy with being a member of a governed society.
Therefore we will grant you your anarchic wish, and will will drop you and some fellow anarchs on a remote deserted island that has plenty of natural resources.
Sure.
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Slavery.
Or social responsibility?


Even if you were able to realise your anarchic dream, do you think that you would be freed from social responsibility.


OK... Just run me through how you think your day would pan out in an anarchic utopia.
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Or social responsibility?
False dichotomy.

It does not stop being slavery just because you consider it responsibility.

Even if you were able to realise your anarchic dream, do you think that you would be freed from social responsibility.
Why are you moving the goalpost to social responsibility?

Yes, the anarchy very much means that nobody is anyone's slave.

Its about as simple as that.
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Just run me through how you think your day would pan out in an anarchic utopia
I guess utopia would mean me alone on an island which has some food and water available. Its about as simple as that
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I guess utopia would mean me alone on an island which has some food and water available. Its about as simple as that
What happens when you run out of food/water?  You can't hunt.  You don't have the guts to talk to women, let alone chasing down a deer.  You can't even purify water on your own without technology that will eventually be useless.
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What happens when you run out of food/water?  You can't hunt.  You don't have the guts to talk to women, let alone chasing down a deer.  You can't even purify water on your own without technology that will eventually be useless.
Well, it should have some river so I can drink. It doesnt have to be totally clean water, just regular preferably non-polluted river. As for food, person can probably live for a couple of months on catkins and leaves from trees, if there are some trees there. If not, I am fine with living for about 20 days too.
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Yep it could be said that comparing social responsibility with slavery is something of a false dichotomy.

But isn't that what you are doing?

Whereas I am only suggesting that social responsibility is a necessary demand of any social system.


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If "social responsibility" means owning another person, then yeah its slavery. Anarchy doesnt have that.
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Anarchy doesn't have that.
That would depend upon how strong you are.
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That would depend upon how strong you are.
Not if everyone respects the non-aggression principle.

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What chance that, when everyone is competing for resources.
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I am just saying what anarchy is, not what chance does it have to be accepted by people.
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Time for bed.

It's been good to exchange ideas with you.


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