a border wall on mexico would significantly limit illegal immigration

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Marxist nations need no walls.
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Although I think there are better options than the wall, whatever design is maybe.  A physical barrier is useful and important.  As the news has shown, what is there in many places is a joke or totally broken.  People can support the idea of Trump's wall/border security or wait for a new administration to do nothing as they always have.  No Democrat has offered any real and honest negotiations or ideas on border security, no real plan, because they don't want it.
The clips of Obama and the dumazz Schumer show they want security etc but did what exactly to make that happen?  What plans did they put forth?  People as sick of the same b.s. of all talk and no action.  This is one of many reasons we have Trump.  For good or bad he's doing or trying to do what he said he would.  What other president has actually done that to the extent he has?  So we are left with this wall idea.  Some of it has been built and he's talking about other ways to get it done.  Fmpov it's either this or nothing.  What other options are there for border security?  Wait and see if a new president will do something?  How's that worked out before Trump?
This is the previous administrations fault, though many can't see it.  If they had dealt with border security and immigration when they had the chance to, pushed it like he does, we wouldn't be talking about this.  When you pass the buck this is what happens and what you get, enjoy.

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CONCERNED YOU ARE ?   about the totally exploited children ?   how admirable of you.................................................................

and what about the SOURCE of these atrocities ?   the REAL SOURCE......go NOW....to GOOGLE EARTH and zoom in on GUATEMALA
or HONDURAS....is everyone on the ground in these so called Countries ( each the size of a small US state..like Arkansas)....DYING ?

Are all the CHILDREN of these deliberately IMPOVERISHED and DUMBED DOWN Countries being slaughtered ?  and what of the IDIOT ADULT
CIVILIANS...a once proud Culture of MAYAN HERITAGE ?   these pathetic humans were better off in the time of the MAYAN CIVILIZATION....
look at them now...PETTY-ILLITERATE-IMPOVERISHED-RAVAGING each other over DRUGS and GANG WARFARE...

How did AMERICA come into existence ?   by RESISTING and FIGHTING for FREEDOM....it began with a very small amount of people who
decided the ways of EUROPE were NOT what they wanted here....so they rebelled...fought the more powerful EMPIRE....and the Natives
to create a place they could exist WITHOUT OPPRESSION by Government....it worked for a while...and now like all civilizations is at a crossroad

The TECH frontier requires constant INNOVATION and EXPLORATION with intelligent MINDS...do YOU see any CHINESE or INDIA Indians bitching
and on the streets whining and creating TROUBLE ?   NO..they come from Countries that make Guatemala and Honduras look like DISNEYLAND
when it comes to POVERTY and OPPRESSION....many of their kids are in Americas top universities...or they start their own businesses...

and what of these pathetic humans from Guatemala and Honduras...who have trashed their rich heritage to run away to America for shitty jobs....
REAL INTELIGENT !   NO America owes these PARASITE VAMPIRES ...........NOTHING........they must rise from within and sacrifice everything 
including their lives to RID the DISEASE of DRUG-GANG-CORRUPT Government CLOWNS...

Costa Rica is right in the mix of these other IDIOT Countries...they went a different direction with ECO TOURISM...outside INVESTORS to build
a green system of existing and preservation of Natural Resources....they welcome retirees..and business investors but maintain CONTROL so they
do not end up like their PATHETIC STUPID RUN DOWN NEIGHBORS...

When these young immature boys (not responsible adults) throw rocks at the US BORDER PATROL and expect to just walk in ?  FCK THEM..our
Military needs to instantly retaliate with LIVE AMMUNITION...like the CHINESE DO...AMERICA is not the worlds TOILET....these retards should be
on the streets of their own Countries fighting for FREEDOM..

They use children as tools...like the ISLAM PSYCHOPATHS in the Middle East....hide behind the weak and innocent...they should all be cut down
and buried in a hole in the ground then lit up and burned to ashes....

TRUMP is stonewalled by TOTALLY CORRUPT and bought off CONGRESS and HOUSE CLOWNS who could care less if YOU are dead or alive

This BORDER BS is all a diversion...a tool to undermine the POTUS...Trump is temporary..these GAME PLAYERS want POWER and CONTROL
they use the Russia card and the Border card to deliberately distract..stupid AMERICANS with these silly games...they are after the POTUS seat
Trump is in the way...simple as that...

YOU really think these wealthy Washington and Global ELITES will let these run down illiterate fools a PASS ?   YOU ARE AN IDIOT...all of them
are expendable including the children ..there are billions of impoverished children to choose from...WAKE UP FOOL...you are being played

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Marxist nations need no walls.
Typical bot response from hybrid Orange-Franken-Trumpanzee lies of idioump "Mexico will pay for the wall.".

Immoral idio-ump repeatedly lies like a 2-year old child to get his way. Ex "I did not know" about payments to Karen and Stormy and now we know that was lie.

Of course any wall, barrier, fence or whatever limits abilites of those who can cross it. The answer to that question is a minimal brainer, even for Trumpanzees.

Since Mexico it is not paying for it, and Trumpanzees refuse to pay for it out of their own party, and they refuse to go build themselves, we are left we more serious questions. 

Lock Trumpanzees Away Today!


Lock Trumpanzees Away Today!









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You are correct. This problem has been there since the creation of the welfare state. It's either Trump, or 30 more years of the same old same old dance. While Trump's solution is flawed as all hell, it's still an improvement.

Trump broke the golden rule in D.C....which is to never actually do what you say you want to do.

It was funny to see the Marxist media recently crucify candidate Gillibrand for supporting a border wall during the height of Clinton power.
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To be fair, if you do a lot of digging, because the Marxist press sure as hell did not cover it...Obama vamped up border security a LOT in an attempt to defuse the issue before the presidential election. Unfortunately, he discovered that it's a complicated problem that can't be solved with simply "more enforcement" and more deportations.

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A big double thick wall won't resolve anything. Landmines in the border can.
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Well, looks like Trump gave up on getting Congress to fund the wall. But he's reportedly found up to 7 billion in federal money that could be allocated towards such, and with the Republicans controlling the Senate it doesn't look like the Dems could stop him.
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What is really more important.. ESPECIALLY if you actually care about the children dying in the desert...is what can the government do to stop the coyotes trafficking humans?
God Emperor Trump has allocated $430million to stopping human trafficking.

This man has helped the country tremendously and deserves to get reelected.


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This is dumb. The Congress needs to be the one to legislate a comprehensive immigration bill. This won't help Congress do their job.
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Werent "landmines" outlawed some years ago and some or many countries? Ive seen various news/documentaries of the children loosing life and/or limb many years after a war in Vietnam, Iraq{ Turtles Can Fly" } etc.

Saw documentary recently on German uboat that sunk off coast of Itally after it hit one of its own mines. Apprarrently the miltary was so secretive about location of the mine fields in those Italian bays that they did not even give maps to the Uboat Captains.




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As long as they're signalled.

As when you see the signal "no trespassing, guard dogs on duty", or when you see "Registed Gun Owner, no trespassing". Would you dare to trespass? I wouldn't.

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As long as they're signalled.
So your telling me, indirectly, that USA could place fields of landmines at our borders as long as their marked and that would fulfill all international laws?

Kinda of like, I dare you immigrants to cross this clearly marked field of landmines.  I wonder if Idio-ump knows he has this option?

1} USA ARMY helps Mexicans build 3' wall,

2} USA places marked fields of landmines at southeren border,

3} USA pays Mexico ---or outher countries--  to place marked landmined fields on their border.

This opens a whole new set of problems for people who want to cross a border. Ladders and dynamite alone is not enough to get through a field of landmines.  I doubt they can afford mine sweeping technology.  Maybe drug cartels could.

Then were back to the issues with having these immoral drug laws that only create more problems of violence and costs than it solves.

Trumpanzees dont get it because of their immoral egos stuck in their narrow armpit viewpoint of reality. Go figure.

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Chris Wallace calls BS on border wall. [LINK]
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Where are your facts that a border wall stops zero criminals or terrorists?
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Where are your facts that a border wall stops zero criminals or terrorists?
Where's your classic appeal to ignorance?

Where are your facts that a border wall stops zero invisible unicorns?

There is zero evidence that even a single terrorist suspect has even attempted to cross the southern border on the ground.

And, according to the conservative CATO institute, 

"Illegal immigrants are 44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal immigrants are 69 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. Legal and illegal immigrants are underrepresented in the incarcerated population while natives are overrepresented." [LINK]
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There is also no evidence that a wall would stop or deter zero terrorists or illegal invaders.

Still waiting on that evidence.

until then I'm going with a range of 10-50% deterred. Considering green cards account for around 45% illegal invaders.
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There is also no evidence that a wall would stop or deter zero invisible unicorn invaders.

Have fun making up numbers out of thin air.
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That's fine, as long as you admit there are > zero illegal invaders flooding the nation with their marxist poison.
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Also your Cato report shows that ICE is currently doing a terrible job by not deporting all illegal incarcerated invaders instead of some of them. Why should we give these criminals free housing instead of a jet plane to Guatemala?

Deport the invaders. Build the wall. Maga.
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the walls that are currently there stop up to ninety percent of people crossing in some areas. people just go where there is no wall. it stands to reason if you had that sort of wall the whole border, it would stop some people as it currently does. people say if you build a thirty food tall wall, they will just make a thirty one foot ladder. but it's far fetched to think there will be hundreds of thousands of ladders to aid the current hundreds of thousand that currently cross per year. migrants from south america would probably just stop coming a lot, instead of assimilating with mexico enough to get ladders. parents won't bring there kids over. some people just won't try cause it's hard. if you make it too easy, people will just run right through. it's far fetched to think one hundred percent of people who want to cross will still find a way
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Even if it stops a mere 5% of the total amount of illegal invaders, it's still far worth a one time payment  of 5 billion to make a dent in the 100 billions lost annually. Not even counting the benefits of not having to deal with marxist invaders which you can't put a dollar value on.
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Wall seems better than the almost nothing that has been done the last 20+ years.  If you don't fix the problem yourself and leave it for someone else to fix who is really to blame?  And what right do you have to complain.
Have you never been threatened as a child if you didn't pick up your toys your parent would and throw them away?  same thing really.  If you don't like the way I do it, do it yourself.  The picture should be crystal clear.