You do realize, I hope, that some of the stuff that's being smuggled across and then sold on our streets is addressed as a banned substance in chemical weapons treaties. Even in wartime, where lead bullets are being slugged into people's flesh left and right, these certain drugs are off-limits for use against your enemy. And you're okay with this stuff being administered to ordinary people, perhaps even teenagers?
trump is wrong to shut down the government for a wall
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@Greyparrot
Why wait? Why spend the money? Why let some one whom lost a poll on the matter of being president do anything?
Naw, I like him yelling at other people when he had 2 years to build his wall. It shows a competent leader.
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@Swagnarok
Are you talking about the drugs that are mostly smuggled through legal ports of entry?
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@Ramshutu
Citation?
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@Swagnarok
Citation?
The DEA threat assessment from literally two months ago.
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18%202018%20NDTA%20final%20low%20resolution.pdf
Document Page 31, 33 and 34 (starts from around pdf page 43-44) covering specifically heron and fentonyl. Cocaine on 52 (or 64 in PDF)
The DEA threat assessment from literally two months ago.
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18%202018%20NDTA%20final%20low%20resolution.pdf
Document Page 31, 33 and 34 (starts from around pdf page 43-44) covering specifically heron and fentonyl. Cocaine on 52 (or 64 in PDF)
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@FaustianJustice
That's fine. Keep yelling at the sky instead of in a voting booth.
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@Greyparrot
Is that something House Speaker Kevin McCarthy told you to say?
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@Ramshutu
Did Marx and Engels tell you to say that?
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@Greyparrot
No, why do you ask?
Is it to deflect that the United States population weighed in, and very much disagreed with that the fear you have of brown people is valid?
Perhaps you said it to deflect away from the fact that justification for the wall on the grounds of illegal drugs is yet another big fat lie.
Or did you say it to deflect the fact that Trump has two years to really push for a wall, and only seemed to make it a big priority the moment the Democrats were about to take over?
Or maybe to deflect that the border security issue is such a massive crisis, that Trump was willing to keep the government open until Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh told him to?
Or maybe you’re saying it because the Democrats won a massivs election victory - so can claim a more valid electoral mandate than a president who lost the popular vote by several million?
Please let me know which it is.
Or you can troll about something unrelated, at which point I presume that it’s all of the above.
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@Ramshutu
Not a deflection. Marxists like you don't understand that the power lies solely in the Congress. They have the power to override any president. The president can never override Congress. The Congress always has the final say in what legislation gets passed. Congress can even vote to strip every Executive power through constitutional amendments. They can even abolish the presidency altogether if they see fit.
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@Greyparrot
So all of the above then...
As nothing you have said is actually relevant to any of the current political clImate, operation or scenario.
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@Ramshutu
Assuming that "SWB POE" refers to manned checkpoints on the US-Mexican border, it would appear that you're right. Sneaking it in by means of motor vehicles mixed in with seemingly lawful medication seems to be a more efficient way of doing business than a few mules carrying the stuff on their persons across rough terrain (assuming that I'm not misreading the data). I suspect that more funding for existing checkpoint screening procedures (such as to individually check, in DEA laboratories, all pill bottles or whatnot coming across the border, and thoroughly searching all vehicles), would help ameliorate this problem, though of course I'm just speculating.
But even if that were solved, there'd still be some people sneaking it in through illegal pathways of entry. We need to address every means by which fentanyl and similar synthetic opioids might be brought into the United States. The fact that many people can enter, with their dates of entry, the fact of their entry, their identities, and what they brought with them, being unknown to the government wholeheartedly undermines this goal.
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@Ramshutu
How would you know what is relevant as a Canadian Marxist? You don't understand that the government shutdown could be over in a day all with the authority of Congress. You don't even understand how 2/3 voting works in the American Congress.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, awesome! More name calling! That tells me that you are absolutely understand that your point is stupid.
Pray tell, why has the Senate not held a vote on opening the government without wall funding? The Democrats would all support it in an instant!
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@Ramshutu
That's a really good question. Probably the answer lies with the fact that the people who supposedly don't want to spend 5 billion on a wall foolishly voted the wrong Senators into power in the 2018 elections.
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@Greyparrot
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #1
This is so ridiculous that I have to start keeping count!
The senate will not currently vote on the proposal that was carried by the house because the Senate Majority leader wont put it to the senate for a vote. Again, that is, it already passed a vote in the senate.
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@Ramshutu
Doesn't matter. The people still voted the wrong people into the Senate if they really wanted to defund the wall. We wouldn't even be having this discussion, and America would probably have Pence as president right now if the people voted a few months ago to mirror the current polls.
So strange how American democracy works.
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@Greyparrot
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #2
Actually, again wrong. As a commie Marxist Canadian (though all of those are actually untrue), I shouldn’t have to explain that only a third of the senate is up at a time, and it’s clear by the popular vote indicated by the house election clearly indicates that the population broadly voted against the issues raised.
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #3
As Trump made immigration and the wall was part of the pitch for the 2016 and 2018 elections, the fact that the Republicans didn’t win the house, and could have won 60 seats in the senate, it’s clear that republicans and the American people didn’t vote for the people who would fund the wall.
When you pitch an idea to the people, and you get rubbed out as a result - kinda shows the idea sucksz
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #4
You can’t defund something that isn’t funded
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@Ramshutu
Actually, again wrong. As a commie Marxist Canadian (though all of those are actually untrue), I shouldn’t have to explain that only a third of the senate is up at a time, and it’s clear by the popular vote indicated by the house election clearly indicates that the population broadly voted against the issues raised.
And if your assertion was true then the majority of the 33 Senate elections should have gone for Senators that would be against the wall, regardless of the letter next to the name.
As Trump made immigration and the wall was part of the pitch for the 2016 and 2018 elections, the fact that the Republicans didn’t win the house, and could have won 60 seats in the senate, it’s clear that republicans and the American people didn’t vote for the people who would fund the wall.When you pitch an idea to the people, and you get rubbed out as a result - kinda shows the idea sucksz
Again, the letter by a Senator's name does not determine whether or not they want to defund the wall. There are people in both parties that both want and do not want a wall.
You can’t defund something that isn’t funded
Next?
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@Greyparrot
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #5
Money for Trumps border wall has not been appropriated, thats literally the whole point of this shut down. If the Democrats were trying to remove the $25bn already appropriated for the wall - that would be defunding.
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #6
As this is so obnoxiously false, you get a bonus lie!
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #7
Again, the Republicans lost the house by a wide margin. They were defending a total of 9 seats in the senate and wasnt able to pick up any “blue wall” that narrowly handed him victory.
The idea that you feel that Democrats must pick up all 9 republican senate seats in order to claim a moral high ground, and ignore that Republicans got their a** kicked around the nation whilst campaigning on immigration, is ridiculous bullsh*t.
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@Ramshutu
Money for Trumps border wall has not been appropriated, thats literally the whole point of this shut down. If the Democrats were trying to remove the $25bn already appropriated for the wall - that would be defunding.
1.6 billion already appropriated, some of it was used to replace sections near Calexico.
Again, the Republicans lost the house by a wide margin. They were defending a total of 9 seats in the senate and wasnt able to pick up any “blue wall” that narrowly handed him victory.The idea that you feel that Democrats must pick up all 9 republican senate seats in order to claim a moral high ground, and ignore that Republicans got their a** kicked around the nation whilst campaigning on immigration, is ridiculous bullsh*t.
Don't know why you want to inject partisan party names when talking about policies. I deliberately omitted Republican and Democrat labels, yet that's the card you pull.
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #8
And GP apparently needs a commie Marxist Canadian to explain how government works. That money isn’t being removed as part of the proposal. The money that was appropriated eight remains or has already been spent.
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #9
GP earns a Fox News bullshit talking point bonus based on continuing this false nosnense.
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #10
The idea that this is a party affiliation argument is patently absurd. This is very much a Democrat and Republican battle. And ar this time, the Republicans suffered a major loss despite campaigning against immigration, and despite Trump arguing to his voters that this election is about him.
While the ridiculous propaganda you try and pull, to deflect against having to defend your nonsense position is sometimes hilarious, it is stop, nonetheless: Bullshit.
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@Ramshutu
Lol you're such a partisan NPC.
a Fox News bullshit talking point
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The idea that this is a party affiliation argument is patently absurd. This is very much a Democrat and Republican battle.
Whatever makes you happy I guess.
a third of people blame democrats in congress for the shutdown. that means a third of people have no principles. of course this is trump's shut down. and secondly, the republicans. if bernie was president and shut down the government for single payer healthcare, then he'd be to blame on that. the issue here is the wall, trump's pet project. of course it's trump's fault. congress wants to override him, but mcconnell and many republicans won't let that happen. this is so painfully obvious that a third of people are just wrong. this is coming from someone who wants a wall. trump and presidents can't just circumvent checks and balances whenever they want something.
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@Greyparrot
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #11
GP gives up all trolling pretence and simply name calls when it’s clear he has no answer to being fact checked.
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #12
GP selectively quotemines, and omits that the BS count was pointed out for him repeatif an outrageously false statement
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #13
It should be noted that GP has dropped every objection so far, and is now simply tying to run away: attempting to raise a number of BS statements and then do everything he can not to defend them in the face of fact-checking.
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@Ramshutu
Npc triggered lol.
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@linate
a third of people blame democrats in congress for the shutdown. that means a third of people have no principles. of course this is trump's shut down. and secondly, the republicans. if bernie was president and shut down the government for single payer healthcare, then he'd be to blame on that. the issue here is the wall, trump's pet project. of course it's trump's fault. congress wants to override him, but mcconnell and many republicans won't let that happen. this is so painfully obvious that a third of people are just wrong. this is coming from someone who wants a wall. trump and presidents can't just circumvent checks and balances whenever they want something.
The check against a Trump veto IS the Congress. They should get all the blame, both parties for not mustering a 2/3 vote to operate the government.
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #14
GP again resorts to trolling having not been able to defend any of his stupid claims.
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@Greyparrot
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #15
GP repeats the false and nonsensical claim that this is somehow the fault of Congress. As already covered, the Republican portion of the senate is just following Trumps lead, and it has been trumps implicit rejection of the bill passed in the senate - on the back of saying he’d shut down the government - that is the reason this shut down has occurred.
Bzzzzzzt: GP Bullsh*t counter: #16
I have to add another one here as GP is engaging in an outrageous attempt to rewrite both history and the power dynamics of modern politics to try and portray the person he supports as not fully to blame for this shutdown.
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@Ramshutu
Lol NPC triggered.