Atheist only thread.

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  • keithprosser
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    i wonder what goes on in the 'atheist free' thread..   Is it all happy-clappy and singing kumbyah or do the catholics and protestants gang up and beat the crap out of the muslims? 

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    I would guess it's more of the former and less of the latter. 😃😅😏😐🙄
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    So...are you still a moral nihilist. If so, I still don't understand!
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    What books are you guys reading? I'm reading "The Story of the Earth in 25 Rocks". I am enjoying it immensely. I plan on reading another book by the same author next: "The story of life in 25 fossils"
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    What about a thread for theists to debate theists on the correct denomination.  
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    It blew my mind when I Saw the capitalization - I always thought it was Skeptic Alone for the last 5 years.

    Like you needed a friend.

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    😂 Aww, dang it. My name is no longer ambigious!

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    So...are you still a moral nihilist. If so, I still don't understand!
    well, I still can't think why I ought to care if the oil runs out or pandas go extinct after I'm dead.   Swords and ploughshares use the same laws of physics, Newtons laws of motion and qm do not say we ought to be good.   Morality does not exist.

    I take that to mean that there is no 'ought',no 'should'.   So what about, say, slavery? Surely there should be no slavery?  Very well then, let's do away with slavery!   Those who would keep their slaves have to be overcome - but it is not a matter of morality but of will.   Even if morality did exist whether there are slaves or not would still be a battle of wills. 
     

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    Its still ambiguous, but now it’s ambiguous between “is this guy a skeptical rational thinker”, or “if I ask about his evidence is he going
    to start a rant about chemtrails” - based on the two common self-identifying groups of “skeptics”.

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    What about a thread for theists to debate theists on the correct denomination.  
    I'm sure it won't take long for mopydick to start banging on how good orthodoxy is. 

    The blood will start flowing in their thread soon enough; you can do a lot of damage with a well-swung guitar or tambourine when the singing stops.

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    Oh great. I'm not sure if I can stand for THAT ambiguity! 😜
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    What books are you guys reading?
    Waking Up by Sam Harris.

    Well, full title -- Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion
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    I was listening to his podcast today (by the same name). He mentioned this book and, if I understood him correctly, it lays out meditation in some way?
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    I'm only about a third of the way through at the moment. But yes, it covers meditation and mindfulness. I had no idea mindfulness was so effective.

    Mindfulness practice has been employed to reduce symptoms of depression, to reduce stress, anxiety, and in the treatment of drug addiction. Programs based on Kabat-Zinn's and similar models have been adopted in schools, prisons, hospitals, veterans' centers, and other environments, and mindfulness programs have been applied for additional outcomes such as for healthy aging, weight management, athletic performance, helping children with special needs, and as an intervention during the perinatal period.

    Clinical studies have documented both physical- and mental-health benefits of mindfulness in different patient categories as well as in healthy adults and children. Research studies have consistently shown a positive relationship between trait mindfulness and psychological health. The practice of mindfulness appears to provide therapeutic benefits to people with psychiatric disorders, including to those with psychosis. Studies also indicate that rumination and worry contribute to the onset of a variety of mental disorders, and that mindfulness-based interventions significantly reduce both rumination and worry. Further, the practice of mindfulness may be a preventive strategy to halt the development of mental-health problems.
    Really though, it's not just a meditation book. It's a philosophical treatise. It explores the nature of consciousness, the human experience, suffering, spirituality, why humans find it so hard to be happy, what they can do about that, and what world religions get wrong.
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    A demonstrative excerpt from the book:

    Twenty percent of Americans describe themselves as "spiritual but not religious." Although the claim seems to annoy believers and atheists equally, separating spirituality from religion is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. It is to assert two important truths simultaneously: Our world is dangerously riven by religious doctrines that all educated people should condemn, and yet there is more to understanding the human condition than science and secular culture generally admit. One purpose of this book is to give both these convictions intellectual and empirical support.

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    What's the difference between 'spiritual' and 'nice'?
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    I have a hard time following Same down this road.  It seems to me meditation can be immensely beneficial. Where he and I part ways (I believe) is that I would view enjoying art, hiking, listening to music (and other things which can induce a calm introspection) to be meditation. I imagine he wants an activity a little more structured/devoted?
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    I think maybe some people find it harder to 'chill' than others.   Closing my eyes and putting Bach on the CD player didn't work for me until i tried doing it in the other order.
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    I was right!  Mopac posted:

    These other so called churches? They are eating from the crumbs of our table. They are not the church.
    They'll be burning hetetics this time next week.

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    I Laughed out LOUD.
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    There's not much happening in the fairy tale thread
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    Closing my eyes and putting Bach on the CD player didn't work for me until i tried doing it in the other order. 
    I accept this, Keith, but I believe Sam thinks there is more to meditation than this.

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    I was right! 

    You're a prophet!! 😂😂😂

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    You can't fault mopac's loyalty.
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    Ok, EVERYBODY CHIME IN, on a scale of zero to 100, how much do you HATE THE BABY JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!