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@ethang5
Stop being a troll and grow up. Your behavior is not welcome.
Does Humanity Need A God Story?
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@Beelzedad
No Beelzebub, reality doesn't reside between your ears. Put some content in your responses. It is trolls who make vacuous posts.Stop being a troll and grow up. Your behavior is not welcome.
And your claim still remains unsupported. You might want to look into that.
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@Stronn
Then we will have to agree to disagree. But a cultural story is one that formed with the culture, not just one within the culture, or else Jason Vorhees would be an American cultural story.
And I can see your "monster" definition is quite large, (tickles its victims to death?) If you go into some of these stories, you will find detail like the Inuit using guns to ward them off. Were guns invented by the Inuit?
If these stories are older, it isn't by much. The one with actual monsters that is.
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@ethang5
Perhaps, if you learned to behave like an adult, stopped throwing tantrums and responded intelligently, you might warrant further engagement.
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@Beelzedad
Like a liberal, you think your "engagement" is a prize.
You first posted to me, and you kept posting all through your "outrage". My behavior is fine, and will not change to suit you.
Put some content in your post, or take your song and dance elsewhere.
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@ethang5
Insults and bullying are not welcome behavior. Grow up.
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@DebateArt.com
Your mater thang spews insults in every post, where is his warning?
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@Beelzedad
Hey Beelzebub,
Repeating your fantasy will not confuse anyone into thinking I am a troll. I don't object to your insults, but can't you include something of substance in with your bile?
And if you have nothing but insults, how many times will you post it? I've been on the net s long time. I am familiar with people like you. I was trained for people like you.
Ethan doesn't tire, doesn't fear, doesn't get angry, and doesn't get frazzled. The only tool that will work for you against me is logic. Just like on DDO.
Your opinion of me is not fascinating. Do you have anything of substance? If not, stop clogging up the board.
BTW that wasn't insulting it was condescending, don't let thang define words for you.
Remember the amputees.
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@Beelzedad
Here Beelzebub,
Let me remind you of what you said. You seem to have lost track of the argument.
"Monster" stories predate gods and religions by thousands of years, first appearing in cave drawings some 25,000 years ago. Every culture throughout history has various monster stories, which significantly shaped the culture over time.
This is what we call an opinion. You have to offer support for it, or else it gets dismissed as trash.
Also, I pointed out that you had to justify calling cave painting "monster stories", and then show how those stories were cultural within the definition of "cultural" being used here.
You did none of that. Since then, all you've done is spam the board with repetition. If you have nothing, say so. Losing an argument need not be a shame. Really.
Allegedly only god stories are universal to every culture across all time, but this itself is and unsubstantiated claim. If for the sake of argument we accept this claim then we must ask ourselves if these stories have any basis in fact and if they do are modern god stories just human ideas piggy backing on the earlier stories.
There are people who claim that god stories have existed always but that the very recent god story that they believe is the only true god story, what makes them think that the god stories that have existed across all time would be suddenly relegated to fiction when a newer god story emerges? Are all god stories destined to be relegated by newer god stories? For instance the very new god story claiming the existence of only one god is not a part of the god stories that are universal to every culture across all time, it is in fact diametrically opposed to those universal stories so historically it has no recourse to those claims over all time it is in fact a brand new story unrelated to the god stories that are universal to every culture across all time.
Too many people try to lie about the veracity of their gods because they have no evidence that any gods exist, much less their own.
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@ethang5
Insults, bullying and harassment are not welcome behavior.
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@Beelzedad
OK Beelzebub,
I will mark you down as "unwilling to debate" but "willing to spam." Go find a safe space before you melt.
There is absolutely no doubt that gods need humans. Without humans there would not even be any god stories which most godists reject, much less any gods.
Bullying is not welcome.
How many god stories do most godists reject and claim to be untrue?
God stories woo hoo, nobody believes 99% of them, especially godists.
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@ethang5
Many African cultures, and Eskimo cultures did not develop monsters.
This is not specific or substantiated.
Even if I were to grant you the Piraha, one culture out of all that have existed would not bother my claim.
Actually, this would be a major concession given your claim was in regards to every culture. Additionally, even if you modified the claim to "most cultures have come up with a god narrative" the conclusion "humanity needs a god narrative" would not be a valid conclusion. There would be a mismatch between some in the premise and an implicit all in the conclusion.
[...] we know the story of a ressurection of a god man is not native to the Japanese.
Do we know what peoples are responsible for a resurrected god-man story? This is my point: we don't know where the "mishmash" begins. So, the qualification of "original stories" is meaningless.
Well, it's not some humans, it every culture.
So you've said. The substantiation has been not been received as yet.
This is not an argument for god. [...]
Ethang in another post in this thread:
We have god stories because there is a god. There is no intrinsic human need for nonexistent things. If the human desire for god is genetic, then something in the environment caused that desire to develop. This is a fact of evolution.
This is obviously an argument for the existence of god.
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@SkepticalOne
Actually, this would be a major concession
Only if you consider semantics "major". This is why singular accomplishments and events are note worthy. If every culture had a god story save a single one, my claim would be undaunted.
This is my point: we don't know where the "mishmash" begins.
There is no mish-mash. No historian is confused about early Egyptian and Peruvian history. There is no mixing of early Israeli and Russian history. You do not have a point here.
We have god stories because there is a god. There is no intrinsic human need for nonexistent things. If the human desire for god is genetic, then something in the environment caused that desire to develop. This is a fact of evolution.This is obviously an argument for the existence of god.
No sir. My comment above was to ( I forget who) a poster who claimed that humans propensity for god stories was genetic. I was showing him the implications of this belief, namely, If the human desire for god was genetic, then something in the environment must have caused that desire to develop.
Your atheist need to think that every theistic argument is one for the existence of god not withstanding, this argument aims only to show that human cultures need god stories.
Did I just see an amputee enter stage left? Or was I mistaken.
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@ethang5
Let's say human cultures do need god stories, what would be the significance of that?Your atheist need to think that every theistic argument is one for the existence of god not withstanding, this argument aims only to show that human cultures need god stories.
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@vagabond
Did I just see an amputee enter stage left? Or was I mistaken.
It is very difficult for some to admit error...especially when others are so gleefully anticipating it.
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@SkepticalOne
Well first, it would indicate that whatever is making cultures all come up with the same thing must be actual in nature. It cannot just be human imagination.Let's say human cultures do need god stories, what would be the significance of that?
Second, it would give us a more full understanding of human nature. That information can inform a host of other disciplines. Medicine, psychology, social studies, criminal law, history, etc.
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@ethang5
So, the OP was accidently placed in the religion forum? ;-)
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@SkepticalOne
So, the OP was accidently placed in the religion forum? ;-)
Not unless you accidentally placed it there and I have false memories of making the thread.
Otherwise, I placed it where I wanted to, and your belief that it was placed where it was by accident is fantasy.
Why do people reject 99.9% of all god stories?
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@vagabond
False. For instance Islam supports that a huge percent of the Bible testaments happened.
Equally Buddhism supports a lot of the teachings of Hinduism without the demigods involved.
Sikhism actually thinks it is the sum of all previous religions and that their Guru is the tenth one in a sequence of false prophets among other things that make it intertwine with other religions.
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@RationalMadman
Does any believer believe in a god story other than their own?
463 days later
Yap, yap, yap!!
Lol
Does Humanity Need A God Story?
Humanity doesn't but feeble minded humans do.
Evolution is working and that problem is being eliminated.
Lets hope it is eliminated before humans are.