free market capitalism is the best system there is

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english isnt my primary language, yet i think you can still understand if you actually have something to say about the discussion then do so, if you dont then dont bother on replying or do as you may, just keep it respectful
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The words and concepts are understandable,
Though I don't know enough history or economics to have strong opinions on the subject.

"in capitalism, people are inequally rich not inequally poor," #59 befairbruh

I just take to mean argument that allowing people to freely trade, results in goods being available,
And because of competition or wanting to appeal to market, they become affordable to more customers.

Large quantity of items such as clothes, phones, TVs, blankets, furniture, enters the market,
Making for higher quality of life, than if free market did not exist, is the argument I think.
. . . Debatable point is whether we are richer because of free market, or because of technology and societal advance and accumulation over time.

But I do 'see the argument,
If only government products existed, maybe we'd see less variety of product types, or variations of certain products.
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yes you understand me very well, people with money consume, and that creates growth in companys that is reinvested creating employment and better wealth distribution from the companys themselves, and my point is that the growth and societal advances were done by the fre trade market, through the natural concept of capitalism
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See my posts 51 and 58, if there is something you find disprectul in them please quote and share so I have what you find disrespectful.

I dont see any disrespect their or others
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"I thinking your speaking in forked tongue language. Welcome to return of cult of MAFA Trumpet world trifecta" 
i find this unnecesary and useless for thinking about the subject.
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i find this unnecesary and useless for thinking about the subject.

Ok sorry you find that disrepectful.

Option 2} Elon Musk --MAFA { Make America Fat Again cult }--  is the current pinnacle of this thread topic title " free market capitalism ".

Please correct me if that is also if disrespectful,  unnecessary and/or in error.

As for the lizard-like forked tonque, that is partly because I learned many many years ago  --and I flunked out of English/grammar class--- that to not break/partition your message into a few lines as short paragraph, more readers will not want to read,

and, I found you type of texting --English not first language-- not inviting to read, even if it were in shorter paragraph form. Ergo the lizard-like comment for your prose or whatever it was. Sorry.
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do you actually have anything to say?? like a real argument perhaphs?

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do you actually have anything to say?? like a real argument perhaphs?

Yes, perhaps as in " real " is in the eye-of-the-beholder.  Also see post # 51 and 58 if you missed them.
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i answered the first things that you said and now you want me to actually consider a conspiracy cult theory, i was actually trying to have a fruitful intellectually honest discussion and this completely interrupts the process.
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1} the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,   ---unfair inequality does not fare well for society in long run----

................................ moderation/balance in all things is good general rule ........

2} progress over the protection of ecological environment that sustains human kind is not true progress, 

................................. moderation/balance in all things is a good general rule .................................................,

3} the measure of a persons profit abilities vs the quality of their spirit and soul is not, and should never equated as ' Olympic Gold Medal Award '

............................... moderation/balance in all things is good general rule ...................................

4}.......................... ? .........................................
1} the rich get richer and the poor get poorer,   ---unfair inequality does not fare well for society in long run----

................................ moderation/balance in all things is good general rule ........

2} progress over the protection of ecological environment that sustains human kind is not true progress, 

................................. moderation/balance in all things is a good general rule .................................................,

3} the measure of a persons profit abilities vs the quality of their spirit and soul is not, and should never equated as ' Olympic Gold Medal Award '

............................... moderation/balance in all things is good general rule ...................................

4}.......................... ? .........................................
you said this

i said this
in capitalism, people are inequally rich not inequally poor, is a constant competition on seeing who uses its resources (not just money) better, wich leads to more innovation, creativity and overall true balance, see capitalism does have a balance an perfect one based on peoples needs and the handling of available resources wich is made by the market not the state, the state influences economy like humans do on nature, negatively. the harm of the environment is seen as a violation of the principle of non aggression wich limits freedom so it is penalized, you can hate yyour competition, your clients, and it wont matter if youre good or bad if you find it coneveniant for your own individual purposes you will colaborate with competition, and if you fail to please the demand you will fail completely. and freedom in capitalism wich is an intrinsic concept of biology, is the capacity of an individual to use its resources however conveniantly it finds them to be used. wich is why the PNA should be respected no killing, life is an asset and if youre killed your being restrained to use it therefore cutting freedom, no robbing, private property is an asset, if youre taking something away from someone your restricting their freedom over their own resources causing them to be less free. you want the most amount of freedom possible for every individual, and some may argue the richer are freer but it is because they used their resources the most efficient way possible and climbed a ladder (fair isnt everyone getting the same, fair is everyone getting what they deserve), some not all, others had heritage, but still are forced to obey the laws of the market by pleasing others and still using their resources better, if they dont, they fail and die, and just like in nature wolves are eaten by "plants", someone else will come or many else will come to replace that failed entity and use its wasted resources better, say wood, the failed enterprise bought a lot of wood, but because they went broke they dont buy any, there is more for other enterprises or enterprise that finds it more useful, and will buy more of it if people are happy with the product/outcome/result of that enterprise

and your answer was this

"I thinking your speaking in forked tongue language. Welcome to return of cult of MAFA Trumpet world trifecta"

am i actually expected to consider this?

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i answered the first things that you said and now you want me to actually consider a conspiracy cult theory, i was actually trying to have a fruitful intellectually honest discussion and this completely interrupts the process.

False as Ive never ever mentioned conspiracy theories, except over the years, I may have mention the true lizard people conspiracy and again in no way did I suggest conspiracy in this thread.

Try again, as my thoughts economics in general as the best way forward for humanity the  doom of humanity.  Actually that was in another thread I went into that pathway of thought.

You dont have to respond to any of my thoughts. Your choice
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am i actually expected to consider this?

Exactly how I felt about your long no break message, that made me think of a lizard-like diatribe.  Again, you dont have to respond to me. Your choice

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ok, but will you say anything about my arguments or continue to disrupt the progress?
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wait let me get this straight, you didnt answer because you were too lazy to read? wtf JHAJHAJHAJHJAH yo common, just say that and i could have made a shorter thing if thats the problem
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How capitalism has worked for China.

Americans don’t know how capitalist China is. China’s rapid economic growth is the result of its embrace of a market economy and private enterprise. China is among the most open markets in the world: It is the largest trading nation and also the largest recipient of foreign direct investment, surpassing the United States in 2020. The major focus of government expenditure is domestic infrastructure. China now has better highways, rail systems, bridges, and airports than the United States does. For example, over the past 15 years it has built the longest high-speed rail system in the world. At 22,000 miles, it is twice as long as the rest of the world’s combined. China’s high-speed rail could cover the distance between Boston and Chicago in about four hours, whereas Amtrak’s fastest service takes 22 hours. One reason China can spend so much on infrastructure is that its defense budget, after years of increases, is still only about a quarter that of the United States.
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.." Economy = 1.the wealth and resources of a country or region, especially in terms of the production and consumption of goods and services."..

NOte: real wealth vs dollar wealth on nearly worthless paper

...2. careful management of available resources. "...

Notes; Earths ecosystem and mineral wealths are being devastated of 8 billion plus humans, under current operating systems.

Without the moderating spiritual balance of all-for-one-for-all, economics is failing humanity, and going to Mars is not going to save humanity from its lack of via spiritual principles.  





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Why a free market capitalism has not worked for Trump.
Trump filed 7 corporate bankruptcies, a failed airline, a failed magazine, a failed scam university, three failed casinos, a failed pandemic response, the worst jobs record of any U.S. president, two impeachments, and 34 criminal convictions, Trump was fined 464 million dollars for business fraud and is in court for paying a porn star Stormy Daniels hush money. Trump's false or misleading claims total 30573 over 4 years
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Earths ecosystem and mineral wealths are being devastated of 8 billion plus humans, under current operating systems.

Capitalism is the driving force for the above and why USSR --striving hard for their system of governance--- lost out as did China some degree also to raise the standard of living for some of their people.

Free market has not self regulated itself to maintain balance between humans and the eco-system that sustains us all.

All governance is riding in the tail of the giant of corporate capitalism, being whipped back and forth and the giant moves forward destroying the earth life sustaining eco-systems.

The amazonian jungles are be decimated for cattle ranching. And there is a long list of eco-systems   full force decimation world wide for 8 billion greedy humans, who chose Make America Fat Again as well as Make America Dumb Again and so unprepared for what appears to be coming in the pipeline of erratic climate change.

Burning down the Earth climate house to stay warm while we live in Earths house, means we all will get burnt and die from our lack of cooperation behind a unifying spiritual principle over barbaristic ways that pop out then die away around the planet only to be kindling underneath and hidden away til their is another ignition of flames via the oxygen of ......?......?.......?


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Earths ecosystem and mineral wealths are being devastated of 8 billion plus humans, under current operating systems.

Capitalism is the driving force for the above and why USSR --striving hard for their system of governance--- lost out as did China some degree also to raise the standard of living for some of their people.

Free market has not self regulated itself to maintain balance between humans and the eco-system that sustains us all.

All governance is riding in the tail of the giant of corporate capitalism, being whipped back and forth and the giant moves forward destroying the earth life sustaining eco-systems.

The amazonian jungles are be decimated for cattle ranching. And there is a long list of eco-systems   full force decimation world wide for 8 billion greedy humans, who chose Make America Fat Again as well as Make America Dumb Again and so unprepared for what appears to be coming in the pipeline of erratic climate change.

Burning down the Earth climate house to stay warm while we live in Earths house, means we all will get burnt and die from our lack of cooperation behind a unifying spiritual principle over barbaristic ways that pop out then die away around the planet only to be kindling underneath and hidden away til their is another ignition of flames via the oxygen of ......?......?.......?
What you have highlighted is not a problem with the free market capitalism, but a population explosion problem. Even here when families realize it is not economical to have large families they will adopt the free market capitalism.
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Adopt the giant corp dragons,

Ride their tail like Pecos Bill,

Climb to the top, and pretend  we're the King,

Make an error and chance a wild fling.

Economic dragon, burns the the eco-systems,

Melt the perma-frost and then all is lost.
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@Shila

Did you get $400 million from your father?
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Did you get $400 million from your father?
I would take better care of my body even if I didn’t receive $400 million from my father.