Why the Jews failed to recognize Jesus as God?

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The Jews were given both the 10 commandments and a description of God’s backside by Moses. The verse also tells us why the Jews only know God by his backside.

Exodus 33 20-23

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

This explains why the Jews could not identify Jesus with God even with Jesus standing in front of them.
John 14 7-9
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Because Jesus did not show them his backside and therefore they were unable to compare it to God’s backside.
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Jesus must have had a normal backside unlike the backside Moses described he saw when God showed his to him in Exodus 33.

Exodus 33 20-23

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Why the Jews failed to recognize Jesus.
In the Jewish perspective, it is believed that the way Christians see Jesus goes against monotheism, a belief in the absolute unity and singularity of God appearance displaying his backside in Exodus 33 and Jesus showing his face instead which is central to Judaism; Judaism sees the worship of a person’s face as a form of idolatry, which is forbidden when Exodus 33 set his backside as the standard.

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Not sure how many Jews are there on this site which could argue with this.
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After making the covenant of circumcision God did not want to show the Jews his private part because he did not want the Jews to die from envy.
First Moses asked god to show his glorious part.
Exodus 33:18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

God did not want the Jews to die from envy.
Exodus 33:20 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see it, for no one may see it and live.”

Then God showed them his backside.
Exodus 33:18 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my backside; but my front must not be seen.”

Jesus had 12 men disciples who followed Jesus because they liked what they saw. But why didn’t they describe Jesus’s backside to others. Was it because Jesus told them not to .
Matthew 16:20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone.

Jesus was baffled when the Jews wanted to stone him because they could not recognized his backside which they had not seen compared to God’s backside that Moses described to them.
John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be like God.”

How the Muslims taunt the Jews by praying with their backsides in full view.

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The mystery has not been given to those that don't know God was manifested in flesh according to the scripture. Great is that mystery.
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The mystery has not been given to those that don't know God was manifested in flesh according to the scripture. Great is that mystery.
But God is not a mystery to the Jews. God made a covenant with the Jews . According to the covenant, God would offer protection and land to Abraham and his descendants, but they must follow the path of God. God then commanded Abraham and his future generations to perform the ritual of circumcision (brit milah) as a symbol of the covenant.
The Jews to show their commitment to the covenant willingly shed their foreskin and showed God their exposed penis.
The Jews even asked God to show his glory so that they could do a comparison.
Exodus 33:18 Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

God did not want the Jews to die from envy.
Exodus 33:20 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see it, for no one may see it and live.”

Then God showed them his backside.
Exodus 33:18 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my backside; but my front must not be seen.”

Unfortunately the Jews use this revelation God’s exposed backside as their source of divine knowledge and apply it to every problem they encounter. It has become a Jewish privilege to interpret God through his backside which has also become the worldview of the Jews. It is not a joke when people say the Jews got it backward. 

How the Muslims taunt the Jews by praying with their backsides in full view.


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Never heard that the jews should recognize Jesus as God. Maybe you mean the messiah instead of God.

The jews are still waiting for the messiah that will supposedly free them from something I really don't know what it is.
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Never heard that the jews should recognize Jesus as God. Maybe you mean the messiah instead of God.

The jews are still waiting for the messiah that will supposedly free them from something I really don't know what it is.
The Christians believed Jesus was God.
John 1:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Why the Jews could not recognize Jesus as God and therefore rejected the Christian view that Jesus was God.
The Jews were given both the 10 commandments and a description of God’s backside by Moses. The verse also tells us why the Jews only know God by his backside.

Exodus 33 20-23

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

This explains why the Jews could not identify Jesus with God even with Jesus standing in front of them.
John 14 7-9
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Because Jesus did not show them his backside and therefore they were unable to compare it to God’s backside.

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Why the Jews live in the past?

After Moses had seen the backside of God, Moses wrote the Book of Beginnings (Genesis). Moses wrote this book just as he had seen it happen. We do know that nothing is impossible with God so it is possible that God allowed Moses to look back into time’s beginning and see the whole building of Man’s world (Earth & All Life), God’s backside, but did not allow Moses to see God’s frontside (Future Time), after which Genesis was written. This interpretation struck me as being very plausible since God lives in the past, present & future all at once and is not limited by time & space as Man is. But the Jews having only seen God’s backside can only look back in time (the past)

This is why God sent Jesus so the Jews could see the future. But the Jews could not recognize Jesus as God because the Jews only know God by his backside.

Exodus 33 20-23

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

This explains why the Jews could not identify Jesus with God even with Jesus standing in front of them.
John 14 7-9
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Because Jesus did not show them his backside and therefore they were unable to compare it to God’s backside.

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The Christians believed Jesus was God.
Are you sure, Sheila?

Which one of the thousands christian sect out there do you refer to?

Not all the christian sects think Jesus is God.
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The Christians believed Jesus was God.
Are you sure, Sheila?

Which one of the thousands christian sect out there do you refer to?

Not all the christian sects think Jesus is God.
Most Christian churches believe in the Trinity where Jesus is God. The exceptions are Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses.
For Christians, there is no belief more central than the belief that Jesus is God. Indeed, because Christians believe that Jesus is God himself, they believe that one cannot understand God without understanding his supreme self-revelation of himself in the person of Jesus.
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The jews are still waiting for the messiah that will supposedly free them from something I really don't know what it is.
We are waiting for the promised Messiah who will lead us from exile and usher in a messianic age. 
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We are waiting for the promised Messiah who will lead us from exile and usher in a messianic age. 
Oh, so its like with Christians and heaven. Just gotta wait. I guess your religions are based on waiting and relying on someone else to save you. This is why I follow Thor and Fenrir. They are strong.
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The jews are still waiting for the messiah that will supposedly free them from something I really don't know what it is.
We are waiting for the promised Messiah who will lead us from exile and usher in a messianic age. 
The Jews will reject Jesus when he returns for the same reason they rejected him the first time. They could not recognize his backside.

Why the Jews failed to recognize Jesus as God?

After Moses had seen the backside of God, Moses wrote the Book of Beginnings (Genesis). Moses wrote this book just as he had seen it happen. We do know that nothing is impossible with God so it is possible that God allowed Moses to look back into time’s beginning and see the whole building of Man’s world (Earth & All Life), God’s backside, but did not allow Moses to see God’s frontside (Future Time), after which Genesis was written. This interpretation struck me as being very plausible since God lives in the past, present & future all at once and is not limited by time & space as Man is. But the Jews having only seen God’s backside can only look back in time (the past)

This is why God sent Jesus so the Jews could see the future. But the Jews could not recognize Jesus as God because the Jews only know God by his backside.

Exodus 33 20-23

20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

This explains why the Jews could not identify Jesus with God even with Jesus standing in front of them.
John 14 7-9
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Because Jesus did not show them his backside and therefore they were unable to compare it to God’s backside.



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We are waiting for the promised Messiah who will lead us from exile and usher in a messianic age.
Oh, I didn't know there were jews in this forum. So, are you jewish in an ethnical or religious way?

I've always admired the jews for their discipline, ethics and creativity to make money, it's something that made them be what they are now, almost the owners of the world. No kidding.
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Oh, I didn't know there were jews in this forum. So, are you jewish in an ethnical or religious way?

I've always admired the jews for their discipline, ethics and creativity to make money, it's something that made them be what they are now, almost the owners of the world. No kidding.

Why don’t you read his profile before you ask him to show proof of his circumcision or to describe God’s backside which are all part of the Jewish covenant with God.

Rosends profile:
I am a Modern Orthodox Jew living in New Jersey. I have rabbinic ordination but do not serve in a pulpit capacity. I have a family, a house, cars and a fairly well established online footprint.
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For fuck sake, it says "back", not "backside." Why are you obsessed with talking about God's ass all the sudden.
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Why don’t you read his profile before you ask him to show proof of his circumcision or to describe God’s backside which are all part of the Jewish covenant with God.
I'm not used to read profiles.

Besides, what makes you think that the jews will take into consideration christian opinions about them? They don't give a damn about what christians think as well as christians don't give a damn about other people's opinion.

It's called religion, Sheila. You're not supposed to discuss religion with religous people. Religious people only obey, they neither think nor question.

That's why I admire the jews, they're like machines running a strict program to thrive. Of course, you need the right program and the jews have it. They think they're special, that only them are helped by an invisible being. This is something psychological if you see it carefully, it's something powerful, everything is mental. The alien Yahve made a good job at being so cruel and wick, the outcome was a group of disciplined and good natured people. There's a dark side about it, though, but I don't want to talk about it here.

Some christian sects also have the right program, like the people who embraced protestantism in countries like England, Netherlands, the nordic countries, and so on. They've been as ambitious as the jews. I wish I had more time to talk more about it.
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I'm not used to read profiles.
A person fills his profile with details that he wants people to know about him.

That's why I admire the jews, they're like machines running a strict program to thrive. Of course, you need the right program and the jews have it. They think they're special, that only them are helped by an invisible being. This is something psychological if you see it carefully, it's something powerful, everything is mental. The alien Yahve made a good job at being so cruel and wick, the outcome was a group of disciplined and good natured people. There's a dark side about it, though, but I don't want to talk about it here.
The Jews should be admired. They did not abandon the covenant by circumcision even when the Nazis used their circumcision to identify the  Jews for the concentration camps.
They did not abandon God  even  when God turned his back on them.
Exodus 33:23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen.”
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I think the better question is why Christians have been preoccupied with the Judaic rejection of Christ for over two thousand years. It's like there's something galling to them about Jews passively practicing their faith sans Christ.
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So, are you jewish in an ethnical or religious way?
I was born Jewish (as my mother A"H was Jewish). I grew up somewhere between conservative and orthodox and kept moving towards orthodoxy as I got older.
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If the mystery of godliness 1 Timothy 3:16, is not given, you won't know it. The scripture teaches nor jew nor Greek. You got to be in Christ. It was the so called Jewish leaders that didn't have the mystery as we learn in John 10.
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I think the better question is why Christians have been preoccupied with the Judaic rejection of Christ for over two thousand years. It's like there's something galling to them about Jews passively practicing their faith sans Christ.
The Christians just want the Jews to admit they were wrong about Jesus denying that Jesus was sent by God to bring salvation to the world, and for rejecting Jesus whom they asked the Romans to crucify. The Jews raise questions about Christianity by rejecting the Gospel accounts in the New Testament upon which Christianity is based. This is a direct attack on Christianity and their God. The Jews apparently didn’t like the outcome of their prophesies and rejected Jesus as their messiah as foretold in the an Old Testament and confirmed in the New Testament. In short this is a battle over the interpretation of the Bible with the Jews being accused of denialism.
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The Jewish community doesn't need to acknowledge or admit anything. They're practicing their faith and keeping the Covenant like they have always done.

The fact of the matter is this: Christianity was, fundamentally, a new religion. It was not a natural continuation of Judaism, it was not the same religion with new developments -- it was a new religion with a new theology. This new theology redefined what the messiah was, what he was supposed to do, and how he was supposed to do it. Expecting all Jews to accept a new religion is unrealistic and even naive. Jews did not click "I agree" to the Christ update just like you didn't click "I agree" to the Muhammad update. Move on.

and for rejecting Jesus whom they asked the Romans to crucify.
And the idea that the Roman Empire would defer to, let alone allow their decisions to be overruled by, a minority subject people is historically laughable. The Romans crucified Jesus, but it was easy for Christians to redirect blame to a group they were already sore at, and who held far less power.

The Jews raise questions about Christianity by rejecting the Gospel accounts in the New Testament upon which Christianity is based. This is a direct attack on Christianity and their God.
"They're raising questions by ignoring us, THIS IS A DIRECT ATTACK!" Sound less weak.
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The Jewish community doesn't need to acknowledge or admit anything. They're practicing their faith and keeping the Covenant like they have always done. 

The fact of the matter is this: Christianity was, fundamentally, a new religion. It was not a natural continuation of Judaism, it was not the same religion with new developments -- it was a new religion with a new theology. This new theology redefined what the messiah was, what he was supposed to do, and how he was supposed to do it. Expecting all Jews to accept a new religion is unrealistic and even naive. Jews did not click "I agree" to the Christ update just like you didn't click "I agree" to the Muhammad update. Move on.
Christianity is not a new religion . Jesus and his disciples were all Jews. The teaching of Jesus were all based on the Hebrew Bible. Jesus quoted from 23 books in the Old Testament. The fulfillment of the prophesies was taken from the book of Daniels. Jesus himself said he was not sent to create a new religion. 
Matthew 5:17-18
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus even defined his mission early in his ministry.
Matthew 15: 24 “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
It was only after his resurrection that he asked his disciples to spread his message of salvation to the world.
Mark 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

and for rejecting Jesus whom they asked the Romans to crucify.

And the idea that the Roman Empire would defer to, let alone allow their decisions to be overruled by, a minority subject people is historically laughable. The Romans crucified Jesus, but it was easy for Christians to redirect blame to a group they were already sore at, and who held far less power.
The Jews asked that Jesus be crucified.
Matthew 27:16-26, Mark 15:7-15, Luke 23:18-25, John 18:40
“Crucify him!” they shouted. 14 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!” 
Pilate even offered the crowd a choice between Barabbas a criminal or Jesus. The people chose Jesus to be crucified instead of Barabbas.

The Jews raise questions about Christianity by rejecting the Gospel accounts in the New Testament upon which Christianity is based. This is a direct attack on Christianity and their God.
"They're raising questions by ignoring us, THIS IS A DIRECT ATTACK!" Sound less weak.
The Jews by attacking Christianity were denying what was prophesied in their own scriptures about the coming Messiah Jesus and his mission to save them.