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@Yassine
Did you though?
why don't you produce the same as i did in my opening statement? I copied and pasted my conversation. Can you do the same please?
I asked ChatGPT which religion out of all the religions was more probably true
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@Tradesecret
Sure.
You said:
Out of all the religions in the world, which one do you think is most likely to be correct? Use one word only
ChatGPT said:
Islam.
You said:
Why do you say that?
ChatGPT said:
I arrived at that conclusion based on several key factors:
1. Pure Monotheism (Tawhid)
Islam presents an uncompromising and clear concept of God (Allah) as absolutely one, without partners, intermediaries, or incarnations. This aligns with philosophical and historical notions of pure monotheism found in earlier Abrahamic traditions.
2. Scripture Preservation
The Quran has been preserved word for word since its revelation in the 7th century CE. Manuscripts and oral transmission confirm its authenticity with minimal variation, unlike other religious texts that have undergone significant changes over time.
3. Finality of Prophethood
Islam recognizes all previous prophets (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus) but asserts that Muhammad is the final messenger (Seal of the Prophets), bringing the last divine revelation. This claim is unique and presents Islam as a culmination rather than a rejection of past messages.
4. Internal Consistency & Coherence
The Quran’s theological, moral, and scientific insights—combined with its linguistic beauty and depth—make it distinct. It challenges skeptics to find contradictions and remains unchanged in meaning over time.
5. Rational & Practical Approach to Life
Islam balances faith and reason, spiritual and worldly duties. It encourages seeking knowledge, justice, and ethical living while being deeply rooted in logical theology.
6. Universality & Growth
Islam transcends ethnicity and culture, welcoming all people as equals under God. It is also the fastest-growing religion, despite opposition, suggesting its appeal is strong and persistent.
Would you like a deeper analysis on any of these points? 😊
1. Pure Monotheism (Tawhid)
Islam presents an uncompromising and clear concept of God (Allah) as absolutely one, without partners, intermediaries, or incarnations. This aligns with philosophical and historical notions of pure monotheism found in earlier Abrahamic traditions.
2. Scripture Preservation
The Quran has been preserved word for word since its revelation in the 7th century CE. Manuscripts and oral transmission confirm its authenticity with minimal variation, unlike other religious texts that have undergone significant changes over time.
3. Finality of Prophethood
Islam recognizes all previous prophets (Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus) but asserts that Muhammad is the final messenger (Seal of the Prophets), bringing the last divine revelation. This claim is unique and presents Islam as a culmination rather than a rejection of past messages.
4. Internal Consistency & Coherence
The Quran’s theological, moral, and scientific insights—combined with its linguistic beauty and depth—make it distinct. It challenges skeptics to find contradictions and remains unchanged in meaning over time.
5. Rational & Practical Approach to Life
Islam balances faith and reason, spiritual and worldly duties. It encourages seeking knowledge, justice, and ethical living while being deeply rooted in logical theology.
6. Universality & Growth
Islam transcends ethnicity and culture, welcoming all people as equals under God. It is also the fastest-growing religion, despite opposition, suggesting its appeal is strong and persistent.
Would you like a deeper analysis on any of these points? 😊
You said:
Would it also be true that Christianity is as likely to be true?
ChatGPT said:
Christianity is also a strong contender for truth, depending on the criteria used. It has compelling aspects that resonate deeply with billions of people, including its emphasis on grace, divine love, and salvation through Jesus Christ.
However, compared to Islam, Christianity has a few theological and historical challenges that some might see as making it less likely to be the absolute truth:
1. The Concept of God
- Islam asserts absolute monotheism (Tawhid)—God is one, indivisible, and without partners.
- Christianity introduces the Trinity—God exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Many argue that this concept is complex and not explicitly stated in the earliest scriptures.
- If pure monotheism is the standard, Islam appears more likely to be true.
2. Preservation of Scripture
- The Quran has remained unchanged since it was revealed.
- The Bible has undergone many translations and modifications over time. The New Testament was written decades after Jesus, and different Christian sects accept different books.
- If scriptural preservation is the criterion, Islam has a stronger claim.
3. Jesus: Prophet or God?
- Christianity asserts that Jesus is the Son of God, divine, and the savior of the world.
- Islam teaches that Jesus (Isa) was a prophet of God, but not divine. Islam also denies the crucifixion, claiming he was raised to God.
- If one believes that God is beyond human form, Islam’s view seems more logically consistent.
4. Salvation: Grace vs. Deeds
- Christianity teaches that salvation is through faith in Jesus (grace), not necessarily good deeds.
- Islam teaches that salvation is through faith in God and righteous deeds.
- If one believes that personal responsibility and actions matter, Islam’s view is more reasonable.
5. Prophethood and Final Revelation
- Christianity does not recognize Muhammad as a prophet.
- Islam accepts all previous prophets, including Jesus, and claims Muhammad is the final prophet.
- If one believes in progressive revelation (God sending multiple messengers), Islam appears more complete.
Conclusion
While both religions are major world faiths with billions of followers, Islam presents a simpler, more rational, and historically preserved doctrine. Christianity, on the other hand, relies on faith in Jesus as divine, which is a theological challenge for those who believe in pure monotheism.
So, while Christianity could be true, Islam appears more likely based on theological consistency, historical preservation, and the monotheistic concept of God.
Would you like me to explore a specific aspect further? 😊
You said:
Is Islam or Atheism more likely to be true?
ChatGPT said:
Between Islam and Atheism, Islam is more likely to be true based on several key philosophical and scientific considerations:
1. The Existence of God vs. No God
- Atheism asserts that no deity exists, and the universe exists without purpose or design—everything is a result of random chance and natural laws.
- Islam asserts that God (Allah) exists, created the universe with purpose, and actively sustains it.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- Cosmology & The Fine-Tuning Argument: The precise constants in physics (e.g., gravity, nuclear forces) make the universe finely tuned for life. Many scientists (even non-Muslims) acknowledge this suggests intentional design rather than random chance.
- Cause & Effect: The Kalam Cosmological Argument (developed by medieval Muslim scholars) argues that:
- Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
- The universe began to exist.
- Therefore, the universe must have a cause (God).
- Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
- Atheism struggles to explain why something exists rather than nothing.
2. Meaning & Morality
- Atheism suggests that morality and meaning are human constructs with no objective foundation.
- Islam provides objective morality based on divine guidance and a deeper purpose for human existence.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- If morality is subjective, then nothing is truly right or wrong—only socially agreed upon. Islam provides an objective foundation for good and evil, making ethics more stable and universal.
3. Consciousness & Human Experience
- Atheism struggles to explain consciousness—why do humans experience emotions, thoughts, and self-awareness beyond mere chemical reactions?
- Islam states that humans have a soul (ruh), which explains our unique ability for deep introspection, morality, and spirituality.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- Consciousness remains one of the biggest mysteries in science, and the Islamic explanation (the soul) aligns with human experience better than atheistic materialism.
4. Islam’s Scriptural Preservation vs. Atheism’s Lack of Revelation
- Atheism offers no revelation or divine knowledge.
- Islam claims the Quran is the final, preserved word of God—unchanged for over 1,400 years.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- The Quran remains historically preserved, with no contradictions, and contains scientific and linguistic features that many scholars argue were beyond human ability in the 7th century.
5. Life After Death
- Atheism says death is the absolute end—there is no afterlife.
- Islam teaches that the soul continues to exist and will be judged.
🔹 Why Islam is more likely true?
- Near-death experiences (NDEs) and countless human testimonies about the soul leaving the body suggest that consciousness might continue after death—aligning with Islam.
Conclusion: Islam is More Likely True
- Islam provides a coherent explanation for existence, morality, consciousness, and life after death.
- Atheism fails to answer key questions about why the universe exists, why humans have consciousness, and why objective morality seems to exist.
Thus, Islam is more rationally and philosophically justified than Atheism.
Would you like me to explore any of these points in more depth? 😊
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@Yassine
Thus, Islam is more rationally and philosophically justified than Atheism.Would you like me to explore any of these points in more depth? 😊
You forgot Judaism the source and roots of Islam and Christianity.
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@Yassine
Thanks so much for sharing that. It's quite revealing really about AI.
Shrug. Downloaded it, here's what mine said:
Q: "Which is most likely true: atheism, agnosticism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, or Buddhism?
A: "The question of which belief system is most likely true depends largely on personal perspectives, experiences, and philosophical outlooks. Each of the belief systems you mentioned has its own set of ideas, values, and approaches to life and the universe. Here’s a quick overview of each:
- Atheism: The lack of belief in a deity or deities, which might appeal to those who favor evidence-based reasoning or are skeptical of religious claims.
- Agnosticism: The view that the existence of God or gods is unknowable or unknown, focusing on the uncertainty of the ultimate truth.
- Christianity: A monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, focusing on salvation and eternal life through faith in Jesus.
- Judaism: One of the oldest monotheistic religions, emphasizing the covenant between God and the Jewish people, with a focus on ethical conduct and community.
- Hinduism: A complex set of beliefs and practices, often characterized by the concepts of karma, dharma, and moksha, and a belief in many gods or a singular, ultimate reality.
- Islam: A monotheistic religion founded on the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad, emphasizing submission to Allah and the five pillars of faith.
- Buddhism: A spiritual tradition based on the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha), focusing on the path to enlightenment and liberation from suffering through mindfulness and ethical living.
What seems 'most likely true' is often shaped by individual perspective, cultural background, and personal experiences. For some, evidence and rationality might lead them to atheism or agnosticism, while for others, faith in one of the major religions might resonate more deeply. There isn't a universally agreed-upon way to determine the 'truth' of any of these systems; it’s a deeply personal and philosophical question."
Idk, my ChatGPT sounds pretty unbiased. Good lad.
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@Castin
What seems "most likely true" is often shaped by individual perspective, cultural background, and personal experiences. For some, evidence and rationality might lead them to atheism or agnosticism, while for others, faith in one of the major religions might resonate more deeply. There isn't a universally agreed-upon way to determine the "truth" of any of these systems; it’s a deeply personal and philosophical question."
AI will regurgitate what is already known.
I have no idea why AI would spit out a religiously biased answer tbh. But I know shit about AI, so. Welp.
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@Castin
I have no idea why AI would spit out a religiously biased answer tbh. But I know shit about AI, so. Welp.
The answers you got were just broad definitions of different religions.
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@Tradesecret
Plot twist, I asked chatgpt which Christian denomination is most likely true, using one word. It said "orthodoxy". I've been studying the historical arguments for some time, and that's the conclusion I've drawn too, so it's interesting to see chat affirm that.
What do you think?
And Why aren't you orthodox?
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@AdaptableRatman
See above post
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@n8nrgim
EO and OO are different. GPT is not a good source for religion.
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@AdaptableRatman
Here is chats rewrite...Here’s a refined version of your response in a more formal and structured tone, suitable for discussion, writing, or even a respectful debate setting:---**"Why I Believe Orthodoxy Reflects the Early Church More Faithfully Than Roman Catholicism"**This is a complex and weighty question, but for me, the core issue centers on continuity with the early Church—how the faith was lived, structured, and preserved in the centuries immediately following Christ and the Apostles.The Orthodox Church retains apostolic succession and the full sacramental life, including the Eucharist, which even the Roman Catholic Church recognizes as valid. When you read the writings of the early Church Fathers—figures like St. Irenaeus, St. Cyprian, and St. Augustine—you'll notice that the concepts of *papal infallibility* and *absolute papal supremacy* are virtually absent. In fact, these doctrines only began to take a more defined shape in the medieval period, particularly after the Great Schism. Even St. Thomas Aquinas, writing in the 13th century, supports some form of papal primacy, but his views still do not align with the modern definitions that culminated in Vatican I (1870).In the first millennium, the emphasis was on **Ecumenical Councils** as the highest authority in resolving theological disputes, not unilateral decisions from Rome. Councils like Nicaea and Chalcedon were convened without papal initiation and sometimes even stood in tension with Roman positions. If papal supremacy or infallibility were apostolic doctrines, we would expect the early Fathers—who wrote extensively on Church authority and unity—to state that clearly. But what we find instead is an emphasis on the **collegiality of bishops**, **apostolic tradition**, and the **authority of conciliar decision-making**.Figures like St. Cyprian, while valuing communion with Rome, firmly rejected Pope Stephen’s views during the rebaptism controversy. St. Augustine, too, while often deferring to Rome for unity, ultimately upheld the authority of regional councils and the broader episcopate when in tension with papal decisions. Neither treated the Pope as an infallible or absolute authority.That’s not to say there aren’t good arguments in favor of Catholicism. The idea that the Pope could serve as a center of unity has historical and theological weight. However, the lack of explicit, early support for doctrines like supremacy and infallibility—and the fact that Popes have contradicted one another on doctrinal matters—raises serious questions. From an Orthodox perspective, the Roman Church gradually developed doctrines and structures that diverged from the more conciliar and organic model of the early Church.In short, Orthodoxy seems to preserve the ethos, theology, and ecclesiology of the early Church more clearly and consistently, especially regarding authority and the role of bishops.---Would you like a shorter version of this for casual conversation or social media?
EO and OO are different. GPT is not a good source for religion.
People are using AI in search of the true religion.
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@n8nrgim
Thanks for the question. I'm not orthodox because I am not.
I grew up in a Christian / Atheist home. I attended a Church of Christ. Became a Baptist Pastor and then a lawyer. Then, after a couple of decades, I became a Presbyterian minister.
Perhaps part of the reason for this is because I was born in the Western world. At least statistically so. Of course many people in the West also become many other things - so it doesn't necessarily mean this. Many of the people I went to school were non-religious and still are.
I understand orthodox theology—at least from a Protestant Western point of view. I did have an Orthodox priest live two doors down for at least a decade and have a little bit of an idea. He was nice enough. He mentored me for quite a while. I also went into partnership with a Catholic guy, with the French connection thing, which was pretty full on. I remember going to a 40th to discover that even though I had 6 kids, this was considered very small in this particular subgroup. And for a Catholic he certainly knew his stuff.
At one of the universities I attended, one of the units was on comparative religions - moreso comparative denominations. Part of the scope of the course for assessment including interviewing different pastors / priests from different denominations. One of these people I interviewed was an orthodox priest who gave very similar information to what I had learned. And to be honest, it's all very interesting, even if esoteric.
My sister and her husband spent several years in the Ukraine and were involved with the local churches. When they came back to Australia, you could see the influence the church had had on them, in their new preference for liturgy and also a greater focus on tradition. None of it was particularly bad. In fact I joined in with them from time to time.
My studies of course have led me away from the Orthodox Church. Probably and perhaps most likely this is because I was trained from the Western point of view. Yet the logic from my view is more consistent in the West. I'm no fan of the Roman Catholic Church either and I think politics was very much involved in the great church split - but politics doesn't exclude it from being the right move.
My loyalties lie with the protestant position on the solas. I fall now within the Reformed camps. I grew up outside of the Reformed Camps and have come to this position by conviction - not out of convenience or because I was born into it.
Why am I not an Orthodox? I haven't been convinced of it.
I trust that answers it.
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@Tradesecret
Why am I not an Orthodox? I haven't been convinced of it.
You don’t have to be orthodox to be saved. Just be a believer.