Agnostic is just a soft atheist

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    Commit. 
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    Commit to which religion? 
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    Who said anything about religion? 

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    Then commit to what?

    And how do you do that?

    What is wrong with not knowing, and keeping your mind open to possibilities? 
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    If you are a theist be one if you are an atheist be one. If you are agnostic you are saying might be one but who knows. When I hear agnostic I hear, I would be a theist but I need more proof. 
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    I would be a theist but I need more proof. 
    That's what I say!!
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    I don't think there will ever be enough"proof". I might be a solipsist.
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    I don't think there will ever be enough"proof". I might be a solipsist.
    If you believe in yourself, does that make you a theist?
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    No, since I am not a God.
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    Commit. 
    Intolerance of ambiguity.

    Clearly the hallmark of a political conservative.
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    No, since I am not a God.
    Eh, that seems to be an ontological choice.

    (IFF) solipsism is true (THEN) you are the "ultimate reality" and or "the most powerful intelligence in existence".

    This sounds a lot like the descriptions of Brahman.
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    I don't believe I am the only one that exists. 

    I just don't necessarily have any other beliefs. 

    I am certain I exist.

    I am not certain of anything else. 
  • Polytheist-Witch
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    Not surprised you bring politics in here. I think it's time to block you. 
  • 3RU7AL
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    Not surprised you bring politics in here. I think it's time to block you. 
    Not surprised you are hyper-sensitive.

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    I don't believe I am the only one that exists. 

    I just don't necessarily have any other beliefs. 

    I am certain I exist.

    I am not certain of anything else. 
    This seems perfectly rational.
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    I think that if everyone really broke down their beliefs, they would come to the same conclusion.
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    It is really crippling to only commit based on 100% certainty. Getting sucked into an epistemological black hole isn't much different than depression in mentality. It is really self defeating.


    If you can't at least believe that there is truth, where is there to go? 

    It might not be apparent to those who suspend their belief in truth because they don't know it, but this is actually a pretty haughty position to take. I don't believe in truth because I don't know it!

    How can you ever come to know truth if you don't believe in it? 


    At some point, you really do have to have faith. Faith is a dirty word to those qho are in denial of their own faith, but it is really not a bad thing. In mant ways it is a good thing. Can faith be a bad thing? Certainly, but faith in itself is not bad.


    Faith in the truth is a good thing. At the very least, believe it exists. If you can do this, that faith the size of a mustard seed will reveal so much. If you love the truth, there is clearly a right way to do this. Be sincere. Be honest. Strive for purity of heart. Polish the nous clean.



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    I want to know what the truth IS, not some fairy tale that I find palatable. 
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    I think that if everyone really broke down their beliefs, they would come to the same conclusion.
    I agree.
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    Of course, and who wouldn't?
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    No we wouldn't. Obviously.
  • janesix
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    How can you believe in something you don't really "know"?

    Isn't it just kidding yourself?

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    See you are an atheist. And you try to call people out like Mopac. Hypocrite. 
  • janesix
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    I'm a theist agnostic.
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    Epistemological nihilism is the end of it all!


    And it certainly is if knowledge is taken as an idol before The Truth.


    Loving The Truth isn't about knowledge. It is about living The Truth. So how do you abide in The Truth? 


    That is what the Orthodox discipline is and has always been about.