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@Shila
if we disregard the sheer amounts of starvation and extreme poverty throughout masses, then yes.
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@Girraficus
Today China has the second largest economy in the world.
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@Shila
China isnt communist
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@Girraficus
China isnt communist
China is officially a communist state ruled by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). While the CCP maintains ultimate authority, China operates a unique, market-driven economy that often operates as "state capitalism," combining high-level state intervention with private enterprise, a model they call "socialism with Chinese characteristics".
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@Shila
Therefore it isn’t communist, it’s state capitalist, that’s ruled by a communist party
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@Girraficus
Mao Zedong was a communist and the principal leader of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) from 1935 until his death in 1976. He founded the People's Republic of China in 1949, basing its government and economy on Marxism-Leninism, though he adapted these ideologies to focus on a peasant-led revolution rather than an urban worker uprising.
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@Shila
Mao had communist ideologies, but was socialist in practice
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@Girraficus
Communism is a specific, advanced form of socialism. While all communists are socialists, not all socialists are communists. Both philosophies advocate for the collective ownership of resources to eliminate wealth inequality, but they differ significantly in their methods and ultimate goals.
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@Shila
yeah
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@Girraficus
China a communist country is as powerful as America. Proves communism works.
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@Shila
China isn’t communist, its state capitalist
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@Girraficus
China isn’t communist, its state capitalist
Why it's called "Communist"The CCP retains the "Communist" title and Marxist-Leninist rhetoric mainly to preserve its political legitimacy and historical authority. In official Chinese political theory, the country is currently in the "primary stage of socialism," utilizing capitalist market mechanisms to eventually build the foundation for a true communist society in the distant future.Ultimately, scholars and economists often categorize the Chinese model as "party-state capitalism," where the government uses capitalist economic strategies to enrich the country, all under strict, authoritarian political control.
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@Shila
Well Lenin was a communist but after a bit of leadership, had to apply capitalist values to his economy to stop people from starving and revolting again. Just because he was a communist doesn’t mean that his country was entirely communist
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@Girraficus
The ideologies between capitalism and communism differ in principle.
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@Shila
Their polar opposites
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@Shila
@Girraficus
That's the North and South.
Whereas In essence, capitalism and communism are two styles of more or less brutal tyranny, whereby goods, wealth and power are distributed accordingly.
For sure, principles may vary but are nonetheless essentially the same...I have and you do or else.
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@zedvictor4
With that comparison, every economic system is very similar, just because the point of the economy is to decide where wealth and power goes and the means on how to grow
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@Girraficus
The difference in communism, the state decides the distribution of wealth.
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@Shila
Nah Rubbish Shila.
One way or another the State is always governed, by a greater or lesser tyranny, that decides who gets what.
The communism that you refer to exists only as a fictional narrative.
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@Girraficus
Sort of...Though economic systems are not self perpetuating...They always require some form of intelligent input...And output.
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@zedvictor4
The communist turned China into a success story.
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@Shila
Nah, brutal oppression turned China into a success story.
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@zedvictor4
@Shila
And when Mao Zedong brought capitalist free markets and private business in
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@Girraficus
So he could distribute more wealth fairly.
17 days later
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@Shila
So he could distribute.
Exactly my point.
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@zedvictor4
China passed your point and is the second richest country in the world.
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@Shila
Hmmm...Depends upon how you measure wealth.
In terms of population to wealth ratio, China doesn't make the top 40.
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@zedvictor4
Global Share: China’s total private wealth is estimated at over $91 trillion, making it the world's second-largest wealth hub behind the United States..
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@Shila
Once again, it depends upon how you measure that wealth.
China still has a national debt of $20 trillion.
And the US $39 trillion, which increases by $50,000 every second it takes you to read this post.
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@zedvictor4
America has a debt of over a 100trillion when you add up all the social security owed to the retirees.