Call of Duty: Black Ops Mafia DP2

A 1x lynchproof wolf is extremely scum sided. It basically means wolves only need 2 mislynches to win, in a game where there are only 9 players.

If Moozer is a wolf, it's because "1x lynchproof" is a lie, not because a Mafia aligned role has that ability, in my opinion.

...Why on Earth would you do that? He claimed an active role with unlimited use on Day 1. What did you hope to get out of it?

I don't know if I'm going to be able to set that particular PR play aside, I'll have to think on it a bit more.

I don't think Lunatic simply having a Neighborizer role is reason enough to call him Town without going back and being more thorough. Pockets can happen in neighborhoods. I have played multiple games and written (but never hosted, sadly) a setup with a Mafia aligned Neighborizer.

I'm more willing to believe that Moozer is in fact lynchproof, just because of how risky of a claim it is. As Mafia, you're essentially making yourself the "default" lynch of the Day and hoping that people can come to a conclusion so they don't resort to you. Moozer is not a person who has a strong thread presence, so in that world, he would have some reliance on his partner to make sure another lynch gets pushed through. All of *that* aside, I believe in his reaction to the WyIted kill, unless someone else wants to show me that Moozer is capable of that sort of... "Dumbtell" sounds mean, but something like that, as Mafia.

Thats a good point. That target makes no sense actually now that I think about it. He had to have known he was gonna get a motion detected from that, what was he accomplishing?

I legit missed that WF claim.

Okay, I buy that claim. You didn't put up a fight and your character is an important one. The role and night actions check out, but I still don't really get your justification. I don't scum-read you, but how does your justification work, could you elaborate a bit?

I feel like whiteflame and his claim was the larger focus of the latter half of the dp... lol

Actually never mind. I still buy this Earth claim but this trips me up a little bit. 

My justification isn't all that cohesive. Its pretty much what I said.

NGL your justification for reznov makes like literally no sense. Mine is also kind of a stretch is the only reason I haven't jumped on it. 

Does it make less sense than Bullish or Wylted's? Because you seem to have already realise how nonsensical justifications are.

Just got home and sitting down to dinner. I'll post afterward, just wanted to check in.

My PM references Mason as well, though I guess that’s bound to be true of a lot of characters in this game. It’s a little weird to me that your justification is so similar to mine and yet leads to an entirely different role, but from what I can see, both our characters were prisoners of Vorkuta who helped Mason escape and were KIA.

Yeah… I don't like this. I know you said you didn’t see my role claim, but it was the only one from last DP, discussion of it took up a lot of that DP, and you were at least somewhat active by the end of it. Doesn’t help that I’m easily the safe choice here, since my result was entirely predictable. Even if you thought I was scum, all you’d be likely to see is that there was movement. I’ve also noticed that you haven’t yet given your reasoning for targeting me based on what you did know at the time.

Looking to have you both provide your own insights here.

I'm okay to check Moozer's lynchproof, but otherwise I say we should pressure within Mhar or Cerulean.

I really don't like that you've been this unresponsive.

I asked now a good while back why you're townreading Banana. I haven't heard a reason yet, despite knowing that being kind of important to understanding your focus on Mharman and Cerulean. If you want pressure on them, explain why you're excluding Banana. Also, why are you OK with testing Moozer's escape artist role if that means sacrificing the lynch?

Also, still no explanation for why you targeted me during the last NP. If you didn't know what my role was, then why was I your choice?

Alright I'm here.

You mean you don't like how I am usually? I don't like how banana is just lurking, but I haven't seen anything I dislike. And I will outright admit my plan for targeting you kinda went off the rails because I was planning on just getting information. I don't really care what your role is either.

...So then you have a reason for thinking that Mharman and Cerulean are sus? Because before, you said the reason was that you didn't sus Moozer and Banana, and now you're saying you're effectively null on Banana.

And now you're just saying straight up that you had no plan with targeting me. Great. Really learning a lot here.

Yup. Glad to see that such experienced players would rather bark up the wrong tree rather than pressure X themselves.

Dude, you're giving me nothing - neither your own motivations for your night action nor any support for your picks for pressure - and expecting me to just move on. It's infuriating.

If you have a reason for pursuing someone that isn't just unexplained PoE, then give it. What makes Mharman and Cerulean stand out to you? Why not Banana? Why are you willing to lynch Moozer just to test his claim when that will almost certainly end the DP with a NL? Give me something, anything, to work with.

I am not lurking just actually have been busy last few days. If you tag me in a post im more likely to remember to check the thread because I get an email for it whenever someone tags me. Outside of that, I am not the best at scum hunting. I think we should switch gears from earth, he feels town to me, I am kind of interested in mharman, he usually seems more "into it" than he is here, not bashing on his activity because im inactive too, just seems a general lack of interest compared to normal, could be a difference in affiliation? Idk.

I did this last game. I’m honestly just bored of mafia and it feels like more of a chore than a fun game. I think I need to take a break for while so I can enjoy mafia in the future.

Even after checking in earlier I did nothing but other stuff bc I just didn’t feel like posting.

Anyway I’ll post some reads in a sec- they’ll be small blurbs.

Lunatic- I was already townreading him last DP,  if you want to know why, go back through the recent posts on my profile and you’ll find it. DP2, Neighborizer with confirmation from Whiteflame to boot. Earth claimed the character I was expecting Lunatic to have, so I’m mildly curious about the justification for Lunatic’s role, but I’d sooner conclude it’s just a stretched justification than I would it’s a fake. I can probably go without knowing based on his behavior alone. His behavior this DP is more of the same stuff from DP1. 

That’s a hard town read on Lunatic btw

Banana- Still null. That last post of hers was the most I’ve gotten to read her off of all game. I don’t like the read on me, but I don’t hate it. I just explained why it’s wrong, but I dont think Banana paid enough attention to last game to know that. Was she even playing in last game? Idr. Could get POE’d out if I get too many townreads.

Moozer- Still scum. I called him out for parroting basically everything last DP, and my points from last DP have not changed. At the start of the DP I saw his whole thing about how Wylted has used his martyr. I expected this to be TMI since no one expected mafia to go after Wylted, so maybe Wylted really did use his martyr, and Moozer had just revealed it, since Wylted wouldnt have been mafia’s NK target. Obviously can’t be the case since people used their actions successfully. That being said, I’m not buying that the situation makes him town. It’s such an easy throwaway thing for him to say.

As far as the claim goes, no I don’t like it. Lynchproof in a game this small is already weird to me, and we also can’t verify it because it ends the DP. It looks like a “nooooo, don’t lynch me );” type of claim. I want his character and justification.

Cerulean, slight town. A good chunk of this read is from Casey’s behavior, but Cerulean’s half is fine as well. More fine analysis, same as DP1. Of note this DP are the thoughts on Moozer. I dont agree but I can see the thought process at least. It’s not super compelling for a town read, but it’s at the very least original and thoughtful thought, if that makes sense. Certainly no red flags.

Whiteflame- lean town. We’ve gone over strengthener and how justification can be stretched. Thinking about it more it seems like a more reasonable stretch than other stuff I’m seeing.

With regards to his behavior, I feel like he’s pushing harder on Earth than I would expect from scum Whiteflame. In general, his behavior this DP feels like a departure from the “permissibly scummy” version of Whiteflame Lunatic was talking about last DP. I like it.

Strengthening me is reasonable, since Wylted couldn’t have done anything with it and he had a null read on Lunatic at the time. Not what I would’ve done, but it’s within the reasonable range of choices imo.

Earth- lean scum.

So in DP1, I had a small scumread on him based on what I felt was just kinda flying under the radar. I know he lowposts, but last DP felt a little ridiculous. That being said, I was starting to feel better about him in the night phase (and worse about Whiteflame- lol imagine that), because in the few times when he did post, he often had a compelling point. Looking back- the scumread wasn’t reasonable for the time- I think I just got disturbed by how much he was flying under the radar.

But then this DP happens. Now he’s refusing to give Whiteflame any reason for his thoughts on Banana and Moozer- which are questionable enough- their early DP2s,  his justification for Reznov being motion detector is suspect, and his selection of Whiteflame in the out makes no sense.

I’ll leave the first and third points alone because Whiteflame has already argued those, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone make this second point.

Motion Detector is an informative role. Meanwhile Reznov hijacked Alex Mason’s brainwashing, and directed him to kill three people, tricking Mason in to seeing him when in reality, he had died in the prison escape. I would’ve expected something like a role that does something after death with Reznov, possibly a manipulation aspect, possibly a communication role, like a role that can vote or talk after death, maybe with only one user. The communication side of things didn’t even have to be after death. Since Reznov sacrificed himself for Mason (albeit with an ulterior motive) as protective role may have made some sense as well. “Influencing someone after death” is hardly a justification for an investigative role. 

As for the role itself, meh. With the cop being the only investigative revealed, there is room for one more weaker investigative, but it’s not required. 

There is one point in his favor I will mention here: His reaction to being pressured and scumread reminds me of last game, where he was town. It’s not enough to overcome the other points, but it’s worth noting. He has that over Moozer I guess.