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@whiteflame
Just out who you used it on hombre.
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@whiteflame
..Hm?
I was recruited to a chat with Luna during the NP as a result of his role, and we confirmed with Pie that WyIted’s role would have taken priority over other night actions.
Just to clarify, you were added midway through the night, but WyIted's role still would have disrupted the ability? That doesn't make sense from a priority perspective- am I misunderstanding you?
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@Earth
Just out who you used it on hombre.
I'm going to need a good reason to do that with no claims of night actions beyond my own and Luna's on the table. I can justify who I picked and why anytime. There is value in knowing who claims to have performed a night action that will vanish if I give up that information now.
I did not perform a night action.
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@Cerulean
Just to clarify, you were added midway through the night, but WyIted's role still would have disrupted the ability? That doesn't make sense from a priority perspective- am I misunderstanding you?
I was told in no uncertain terms that WyIted's role would take priority over all night actions if used. I was added during the night, and received an invite to the chat shortly before this DP went up. Since I was added during the night and that night action went through, WyIted's role was not used.
Oh, okay. The way you phrased it, I thought you were saying you were added midway through the Night, which would've made it an "Instant" action. Confusion alleviated.
Pie responded to me, so I can now confirm that I would have been informed if I had been RB'd. That implies my role was successful.
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@Cerulean
Now you mention it, that does sound like uncharacteristic poor modding from Pie.
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@whiteflame
I had a night action.
Just keeping score (treating my night action and Luna’s as a given).
Moozer claims to have a day action, implying that he doesn’t have a night action. He says he’s semi-confirmable, so I’ll need a good reason to know why he wouldn’t use his role this DP to narrow PoE.
Cerulean states he perform a night action.
Earth claims he did commit a night action. I’m going to assume that he isn’t also claiming to be RB’d and therefore that whatever he did successfully went through.
*Cerulean states he didn’t perform a night action.
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@whiteflame
Mhar also said he didn't do anything.
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@Earth
Missed that. So we have:
Mharman, Cerulean, Moozer: claim no night action
Earth: claim night action
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@iamanabanana
Just leaves you, Banana. Did you commit a night action?
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@whiteflame
@Cerulean
Okay, guess I was wrong about the martyr situation. The fact that a martyr had died kinda implied for me that the ability was used, but that was clearly wrong.
BTW, I never actually said I had a daytime action, I just have a daytime ability, just clarifying. I honestly don't mind claiming right now, considering my role it might be the best course of action. I could also just claim role and not character. I am technically confirmable, but it's not really worth it because the town has to give up something for that to happen. So should I claim?
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@Moozer325
I'd say it's worth clarifying what your role is. I'm headed to bed, but I'll take a look back at this in the morning.
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@whiteflame
Alright, I'm an escape artist. I get a free pass if I'm lynched in the DP. Essentially I can't be lynched the first time around, but then I'm confirmed so why Lynch me anyways.
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@whiteflame
Just leaves you, Banana. Did you commit a night action?
My action was not blocked that I can tell.
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@Earth
You don't believe Wylted activated his ability?
I didn't initially see the part of wylteds role that says he kills himself by using the role, so I assumed since my action went through that he didnt. But now we are getting confirmation that several roles have gone through, so it's likely he didnt at this point.
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@Moozer325
I forgot, did you character claim yet?
You may as well just full claim.
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@Earth
No, I don’t see much of a point in full claiming. Just gives scum more info that they need.
Whiteflame also just said to claim my role, and I agree
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@Moozer325
Alright, I'm an escape artist. I get a free pass if I'm lynched in the DP. Essentially I can't be lynched the first time around, but then I'm confirmed so why Lynch me anyways.
I'm fine with this for now. So what happens if you are lynched and use your role? Does the DP end?
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@iamanabanana
My action was not blocked that I can tell.
So you did perform a night action then. Alright.
I do find it odd that both of the people who have claimed to have night actions didn't have anything to say at the start of the DP about how WyIted's role didn't affect them. Banana only had one post before this where she asked if the use of the Martyr would have prevented the NK, so maybe she just didn't consider how it would have affected her role or didn't get to the point of posting about it. Harder to say why Earth, who posted multiple times after the start of the DP and asked Luna about why he didn't believe WyIted used his role (can't find anywhere that Luna said that), didn't mention anything about his own perspective on WyIted having used his Martyr role despite having pretty clear evidence that the Martyr wasn't used (successful use of his own role). That stands out to me as sus.
Anyway, I targeted Mharman NP1. As I said during the last DP, I was townreading him and it was mainly a choice between him and WyIted, the latter of whom I had more reason to townread (his exchange with me over the interplay between our roles in particular gave me town vibes), but WyIted did mention that my role wouldn't affect his (obviously true now that we see the flip), so I ended up going for Mharman. Since Mharman claims he didn't perform a night action, it doesn't seem to have mattered.
As for other thoughts, the existence of my role does suggest that someone has an RB or redirect that can be countered by my Strengthener. WyIted's could not, so it's likely scum have one or both of them. There might also be a town RB/manipulation role in play.
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@whiteflame
Yeah, that’s why I said I’m only semi-confirmable. Town has to give up a lynch to confirm me which just isn’t worth it.
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@whiteflame
What interests me about the whole Martry situation is that so many people assumed he didn’t use it. Not that it wasn’t an okay assumption, but it seemed so clear from the info we had that he has used it.
Multiple people echoed that WyIted was a weird NK and when a Martry dies DP1, it seems more likely that they used their ability than were killed, right? Scum would obviously know that WyIted was NKed, so it’s a possibility that one of the people who assumed he was NKed right out of the gate scum slipped a little.
This line from banana fits that bill a little:
If he used his martyr then wouldn't there be no night kill?
But I could also see that being s genuine question. Maybe there’s some reason that so many people went this way that I’m missing. If so, I’d like to hear it.
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@Moozer325
Yeah, that’s why I said I’m only semi-confirmable. Town has to give up a lynch to confirm me which just isn’t worth it.
I disagree that that's semi-confirmable. It's fully confirmable. Upon lynching you, we know you are either entirely lynchproof or, as you say, the escape artist (which is effectively a 1X lynchproof). Scum are exceedingly unlikely to have a role that prevents them from being lynched, so it's also pretty strong confirmation of your affiliation.
That being said, if lynching you ends the DP (I'd just like to confirm that), then limiting PoE by lynching you probably isn't worth the cost. It's a better choice than a straight VTNL, at least, but that's about it.