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Ban.
Ban on contraception = more pregnant 13 year olds.

Criminal record on both
Criminal record on 13 year olds?

or on the parents that neglected them
Parents cant control them. Parents have jobs and much work around the house. If you think parents can watch over a 13 year old for 24 hours a day, then thats not even realistic suggestion and no country ever achieved that.

. Open door household always when friends are around
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(obv not if someone else is studying or whatever but ban on any fraternising).
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Ban on pda beyond basic peck and handholding, hugging etc.
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Far stricter enforcement on the "15+" "18+" labels on all media.
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You get the idea
Alright, so your idea is to implement a totalitarian state so you can ban contraception.

We already had many totalitarian states. They didnt ever reduce teen pregnancy. However, the access to contraception has reduced teen pregnancy by 40%.

So on the simple question of what is a better solution to teen pregnancy: a totalitarian state or simply access to contraception, I am going to vote for access to contraception.
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Well true totalitarianism is not democratic anyway so your vote would not matter.
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Parents cant control them. Parents have jobs and much work around the house. If you think parents can watch over a 13 year old for 24 hours a day, then thats not even realistic suggestion and no country ever achieved that.
Are you saying they are doing it at school?
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Are you saying they are doing it at school?
Every country has some problems with teen pregnancy.

Guess which countries have least problems with that?

The totalitarian ones or the ones which give free access to contraception?

Try to guess now.
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Islam isnt Chrisrianity. Theyre still marrying at 17 or younger in their nations sometimes.

I want a Catholic state.
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I want a Catholic state
Well, africa is maybe probably full of them.

However, you didnt say which countries do you think have least problems with teen pregnancy now.

Since you are unwilling to answer, I will just tell you now: Its those very countries which give free access to contraception to teens.
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That may be why theyre all declining in native population.
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That may be why theyre all declining in native population
So now you support the idea of pregnant 13 year olds? Because your OP is saying the very opposite position.
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Jesus said that he doesnt judge the woman at all.
No, Jesus did not say that, and not even directly to her. He said he was not going to condemn her, i.e., exact the death penalty of stoning her. He had, legitimately, because he was going to do it for everyone soon enough, the power to forgive her. But repentance  was never meant to be a revolving door, which I observe often enough. people habitually commit and repeat the same sins, going to confession in between. But that is not what repentance is. True repentance is a change of heart, proven by not habitually repeating the sin. Christ told her, in his forgiveness on that occasion, "Go, and sin no more." Meaning, change your heart, Change your habit. Become whole and complete. That is what atonement does, and it is our responsibility to accept we do wrong, repent, fully, and change our heart to avoid that sin, and ultimately all sin.
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free access to contraception to teens.
While I agree artificial contraception is successful to a degree, it is not 100% successful. There is only one "contraceptive" that has a 100% success rate, and that is committed, and successful abstinence. That is an admirable, and possible goal to achieve for teens. Possible, but very difficult to achieve. I know it's possible because, as a teen, I succeeded in avoiding sex until my marriage night at 23.  
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There is only one "contraceptive" that has a 100% success rate, and that is committed, and successful abstinence
Yes, but thats like saying solution for a crime is for people not to do any crime. The problem is that many teens wont practice abstinence.
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totally agree. It's one of those problems, like gun control, that has zero easy answers. Not in an alleged democratic republic.
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I had a vasectomy.

Worked just fine.

Abstinence unnecessary.



He's back, he's loaded with Papal zeal and seemingly has a divine right to boss us about.

Sorry to see that they has a downer on you BK.

Born again Christians are the worst hypocrites.


Watch this space.
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Do you know what the word hypocrite means?
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Also once inside marriage Catholics teach natural family planning. They knew fertility secrets long before modern standard fertility doctors existed (and were among the first official if notnthe first official fertility specialists too therefore)
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I said a ban on 13 year olds getting anything like contraception or sex.

In Europe it is all banned in sex yet allowed in contraception.

At 12 the sex is 10000% illegal but at 13 the laws have capitulated to some weird thing.

The same people saying they cannot consent until 16-17 are also saying let them have contraception to do what is 100% illegal to do and do not arrest the parents for allowing it either if 13-15 and partner around that age.

We have lost morals. The entire system is rotting.
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Well.

Of Greek origin, meaning "actor".

Latin gave it a religious spin...Sort of falsely virtuous.

More widely used to describe a person who says one thing and does another.
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And you cannot ban sexual messaging that is indelibly encoded within the human endocrine system.

Catholics try sexual repression, but look at all the trouble it gets them into....Such is hypocrisy.

Jizz will out and Jizz will in and procreation will occur just as GOD and nature intended....A metaphorical GOD you understand.
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So, in terms of the state I am advocating is best for society, how am I a hypocrite?

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Which State, and how do you know what is best, better that anyone else knows what is best.

Converting to Catholicism is no guarantee of either absolute virtuousness or political infallibility.
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I know because I see the defeneracy protestants have enabled and atheism has brought forth.

Islam is strange. In some ways it is very disciplined and all but it has this toxicity to it and hypocritical element. It is like they think men get to be much more degenerate than women, reminds me of the Trump type of Christianity.
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I said a ban on 13 year olds getting anything like contraception or sex.
If you ban both contraception and sex, you just end up increasing number of pregnant 13 year olds.

They are not going to stop doing it if you ban it. Thats the problem. Ban doesnt work to stop it. However, allowing contraceptions to them does work everywhere. 

The goal here isnt to ruin anyone's life because of sex, but to reduce harm.
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He's back, he's loaded with Papal zeal and seemingly has a divine right to boss us about
I am fine with him being a Christian here. I mean, I am not going to question someone's religion. Not me, since I have changed many religions.

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Judge me :) I am ready.
Hard to judge someone that you admire.
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No it isnt. Admiration is a judgement.
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While vasectomy is relatively successful, and it is over 99%, much better than a condom,  I grant, but it is not at 100%. And, in particular, it is a lower rate immediately after the procedure;  It takes time for  sperm to be as completely eliminated from semen as it will ever be. I stand by my claim. And, as you probably know, but many women do not, and can still be rattled by the sudden discovery as you still ejeculate, that semen still flows.  So how do you really know how successful the procedure was? You don't. Oops. Abstinence, alone, when practiced, stands at 100%. Oh, so does death, but that's a drastic consequence that defeats the whole purpose of contraception by overdose. Face it, we were designed to procreate, not just to have jollies.
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For clarification, your stance is LDS not Catholic, so I am confused.

Arent LDS very pro contraception inside marriage and you think we can become gods?
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Re; contraception, no, just the opposite; we encourage children, as many as can be afforded by circumstances of relative income, and the average number of children per family is larger than on the general populace, but not excessively. Where the average in. society is drifting below 2 [I think the last stat I was was 1.8, or something like that, whereas just a few years ago - maybe 10, the average was over 2], I susspdct we are 3.x.

Re: becoming like God, yes, that is exactly our doctrine, that we are on a path of eternal progression. Heaven is not a harp-playing exercise of relaxation, its is continued learning, continued doing. God is equally on the path, just much further ahead. And thus, we believe godhood is a generational reality in infinite regression of time, and infinite progression, everyone at the own pace. Thus we emphasize education, because we believe the body of available knowledge is endless, and the more we learn, the better we make it for ourselves  now, and forever. We believe we resurrect as perfected physical bodies, no longer corruptible , and not just spirits.
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Arent LDS very pro contraception inside marriage and you think we can become gods?
Correct.

The spiritual process of becoming gods is similar to Eastern Orthodox beliefs on theosis.