Does sitting at a table with a Nazi make someone a Nazi?

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Supposing we accept this general concept, it raises a few questions:
  1. If racists can have black friends but still not approve of black people, why must someone who associates with Nazis approve of Nazis? And if a racist has a black friend but hates black people, does the black person now become a racist who hates themselves?
  2. If a white supremacist is friends with a black supremacist, does the white supremacist become a black supremacist, or does the black supremacist become a white supremacist? Do they both simultaneously hold these contradictory beliefs together?
  3. Most people are connected to most other people on earth by some number of degrees of separation. If Person A is friends with Person B who is friends with Person C...up to Person Z who is a racist, would this recursively make everyone in the chain a racist? What if everyone in the chain is aware of all these connections or understands that after some number of connections, someone in their network is statistically certain to be a racist? Are people responsible for what friends of friends of friends do?
  4. Does this property apply to ideologies like religion as well? Did being friends with a Christian make Christopher Hitchens a Christian himself?
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Its a popular saying in Europe that your friends define who you are. If you have bad people as friends, it is likely that you are bad like them. But there is not much truth to that statement really. Most of my friends throughout life were nothing like me. We didnt even agree on many important things. Truth is, people dont always choose their friends. Sometimes you just happen to be in same area and become friends due to common location.
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Nazi.

"Nazi" has become a metaphor, that can be liberally applied to differences of opinion.
 
Though perhaps more significantly, differences at  the outer ends of the human ideological tolerance/intolerance scale.

The metaphor can also be applied as a condemnation, when free speech is deemed unacceptable...Wherein we tend to lose sight of who is or isn't  the metaphorical Nazi.
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Truth unless its your parent or sibling etc.

There is good. There is evil.

Every knee shall bow.
Every tongue confess.

Jesus Christ is Lord!

It is right and just.

Nazis are Satanic scum that pretend to serve the Lord. Be aware.
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The number of actual Nazis in the world couldn't fill up a football stadium. It's the stories adults tell children to get them to eat their broccoli and pay taxes.

hashtag/hitlersghost
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I think that what we see today is a bastardized version of the “one-drop rule,” where even the slightest association with Nazism brands someone as fully Nazi. The social othering of the 1800s lives on through cancel culture. The Redneck South’s cultural legacy shaped and handed down this type of othering to Black Culture, where the "one-drop rule" mentality became a core identity marker for social hierarchies and virtue signaling. Because sacrosanct Black Culture is disproportionately beatified in universities, this dogma has seeped into educated whites, especially women and low-T males. It explains the invisible knapsack ideology of unconscious racism. It also explains the ritualistic othering of MAGA supporters. All handed down from Redneck culture that was allowed to fester in universities for decades.
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I sit at a table with my wife all the time, does that make me a woman?
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And just to clarify, while the "one-drop rule" started out as a purity test for exclusion during the 1800's, it is now a cultural rule for both inclusion and exclusion.

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Leading Civil Rights Lawyer Shows 20 Ways Trump Is Copying Hitler's Early Rhetoric and Policies
The author, Burt Neuborne, is one of America’s top civil liberties lawyers, and questions whether federal government can contain Trump and GOP power grabs.
A younger Trump, according to his first wife's divorce filings, kept and studied a book translating and annotating Adolf Hitler's pre-World War II speeches in a locked bedside cabinet, Neuborne noted. The English edition of My New Order, published in 1941, also had analyses of the speeches' impact on his era's press and politics. "Ugly and appalling as they are, those speeches are masterpieces of demagogic manipulation," Neuborne says.






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Nazi" has become a metaphor, that can be liberally applied to differences of opinion.
And now we don’t know who the real Nazis are. Perhaps the real Nazis were the friends we made along the way.
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Do you think Trump will be next pope?
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  Probably
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At least you admit you are sinful as it gets.

Wylted says hes Christian and wants to go to Heaven and has similar profile pic.
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Hey, I didn't marry a foreign sex worker.
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I didn't marry a foreign sex worker
Isnt it great that Trump proved how when you are rich and famous, you can do literally anything? Trump commited many crimes, stealing from charity, accused of rape and mocking his victims. He is a billionaire president who is a convicted felon who now wants to be pope. Trump said he could shoot someone and he wouldnt lose any voters. Its amazing what person can do in USA if the person is rich and famous. Trump even openly bragged about how he likes to fuck married women. He is also trying to invade US allies, he robbed Ukraine's resources, and even supported taking away land from Palestinians. He even blatantly lied and said he will stop all wars in 24 hours. He also said he will invade Canada and start many new economic trade wars on US closest allies. Trump would have gone to prison for many crimes he commited, but people elected him president so he doesnt go to prison. It seems that when you are rich and famous in USA, you can do anything and people just let you do it. They even cheer you while you do it. Its incredible.
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Well stated!
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This woman is just silly. Firstly, I don’t think there is such a saying in Germany— it is startlingly devoid of any meaningful context. Secondly, this author is addressing her book to and sitting down to dinner with and taking payment from women she calls racist. Does that make her a racist, too?

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Well, the real Nazis were members of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party, between 1920 and 1945.

Though today perhaps best applied to a gathering of Nationalist thugs, suffering from an overwhelming testosterone reaction.
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The low testosterone will always be a victim.
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The low testosterone will always be a victim.
Rats!
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If racists can have black friends but still not approve of black people, why must someone who associates with Nazis approve of Nazis? And if a racist has a black friend but hates black people, does the black person now become a racist who hates themselves?
Relatively little of the discourse around neo-Nazism is based in rationality or morality but rather can be chalked up to a cultural syndrome born from excessive propagandization.

In the grand scheme of things, bigotry is a vice but a relatively trivial one in itself, since it really just amounts to being a jerk. Thinking racist thoughts or even espousing racist sentiments about your neighbor is incomparable to actually going out and harming someone. It is objectively worse to, say, commit adultery or even get into a drunken fistfight, or even smoking around children, but there's no general expectation in society that we're obliged to completely shun the company of known adulterers or bar room brawlers or careless smokers.

The only reason there's still this sense of absolute hysteria around Nazism 80 frigging years after Hitler's death is because Western culture and politics are currently dominated by the left, which has defined itself by the cause of opposing any manifestation of in-group out-group bias by the majority group (but not minority groups, which in truth are no less inclined to bigotry). Neo-Nazism is a very intense form of bigotry associated with the majority group, which is why it gets singled out as the ultimate existential evil, to the point where a death metal singer is comfortable cosplaying as Satan but not as Hitler.  And no, the reason isn't just historical Nazism's death toll, lest you wouldn't be safe going out in public while wearing a t-shirt with Stalin's ugly mug on it.

Nation of Islam believes that white people are apes and demons. They are powerless, but if in theory they had dictatorial control of the government they would likely genocide tens of millions of people or at minimum usher in a reverse Jim Crow. However, when Louis Farrakhan was an official guest at the 2005 meeting of the Congressional Black Caucus, and took a photo with Obama (in effect, equivalent to if David Duke were a keynote speaker at the 2004 RNC and posed with Bush), that was treated as if it were just a slight faux pas.
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It's also rich that a saying like this supposedly came from Germany, given that the war ended and all the card-carrying NSDAP members put away their Wehrmacht uniforms, donned business suits, and carried on with life as normal. Everyone knew someone who'd collaborated with the regime in some capacity or another, and it didn't create the kind of massive rift in West German society that this aphorism seems to imply. So by this logic, Germany only "stopped being a Nazi country" around 30-40 years ago.