Well I have read many opinions on this debate and most say the same thing, the gorilla will take out the first ten or so then the other 90 will over whelm it and tire it out. Maybe, maybe not. What no one ever talks about is the will of a man to engage in such a challenge. In my opinion the gorilla will never have to take on 100 men. After watching the first ten men get their arms ripped out of their sockets or their faces bitten off I think the other 90 are going to turn and run. There is no incentive to try and kill a gorilla with your bare hands. I think human fear will make the 100 men lose. The gorilla has no fear, it only knows kill the infestation.
The 100 men against a gorilla argument
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Nope. Gorilla will panic and the men will easily handle it. Maximum 1 death 2 casualties and theyll trap each limb.
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@sadolite
@AdaptableRatman
Leave the Gorillas alone.
Go fight each other.
Or better still just put the idiot who thinks up such crap, in a cage with an annoyed Silver Back.
And let's see who pisses themself.
And a self espousing socially superior Catholic should no better than to get involved in such abject degeneracy.
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@zedvictor4
Dont tell me how to be Catholic ty.
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@sadolite
Gorilla can lift over 450 kilograms.
While 100 men are much higher in number, it is certain that at least the first 4 men would get ripped.
And since no one wants to be among the first men, no one can logically attack gorilla. Unless some of men are retarded.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Yeah yeah sure.
They definitely wont split up take one limb per 25 (or less and the remainder help get rope or something) and win
1 gorilla vs 14 men. That is more of a very grey area.
They definitely wont split up take one limb per 25 (or less and the remainder help get rope or something) and win
No rope. Its a fight without weapons.
One limb each per 25 people? Thats not even possible. People cant fit that close together, and you just assume gorilla will stand still?
If both sides are absolutely bloodlusted, the men simply storm and overwhelm the gorilla.
Turn the gorilla into an elephant instead, and the odds are fairer.
1 gorilla vs 14 men. That is more of a very grey area.
You give the gorilla the better odds.
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@Sir.Lancelot
If both sides are absolutely bloodlusted
Another argument is simply that someone has to be first.
First man who attacks gorilla will certainly die. So will second man. So will third man.
They will, if they all attack, overpower a gorilla.
The problem is that someone has to choose to willingly die to achieve that.
A more likely outcome is that no one will agree to be first man to attack, because that is certain death. With no first man, no one will attack. Its that simple here. No one wants to be front line because front line certainly dies.
Would you agree to get ripped apart by Gorilla so other people can try to overpower him while he rips you apart? Person would have to be retarded to agree to that.
Unless gorilla is charging at the group, there is no reasonable reason for anyone there to agree to get ripped apart.
Also, this greatly depends on how strong the men actually are. If they are some weak girl-like men, then I think 100 is maybe even too low number.
I dont think people understand just how many 100 people are, that aint chump change
Finally a debate resolution that is relevant to each and every one of us!
Where can you find someone who doesn't have a story about walking home from the park with 99 of their friends and acquaintances when all of a sudden a gorilla appears totally intent on depriving you of your snacks?
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@AdaptableRatman
Catholic is as Catholic does.
Takes about half an hour to learn the drill and Bob's your Uncle.
So then Ratman becomes a completely different guy to the one he was half an hour earlier.
Hail Mary...See I've just become a temporary Catholic.
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@zedvictor4
Actually what you described is how many Protestants describe it.
Catholic conversion is a longer process of gradual progression.
You want to believe I have not changed or that Jesus is not saving me, since that belief helps justify your own decision to stay atheist.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It would probably take only 4 regular sized 200 pound men to restrain a gorilla. I would be far more worried what the 96 other men were plotting.
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@Greyparrot
It would probably take only 4 regular sized 200 pound men to restrain a gorilla
Gorilla can lift over 450 kilograms.
If men in question cant lift more than 50 kilograms, it would take over 10 of them just to match the lifting power, and that is assuming they succeed in combining power there. If they fail, then it doesnt matter if there is even 100 of them. Individually, they are all much weaker than gorilla, and combining power is not that simple there.
Now, another problem is that gorilla actually has sharp teeth and strong bite while those men dont. So men better be prepared to lose some hands and fingers there from bites as well.
Also, which species precisely are we talking about?
Some are much stronger than others.
"Gorilla strength is estimated to be about 10 times their body weight. Fully grown silverbacks are in actually stronger than 20 adult humans combined. How strong is a Mountain Gorilla? – A Silverback gorilla can lift 4,000 lb (1,810 kg) on a bench press, while a well-trained man can only lift up to 885 lb."
So if those men can lift 50 kilograms each, it would take 40 of them in combined power to match lifting weight. But its not possible for 40 people to even combine power there.
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@TheGreatSunGod
4 wolves can take a gorilla down easy. All that strength means little. Just chase it around for an hour till it's too tired to do much of anything.
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@Greyparrot
4 wolves can take a gorilla down easy
Yes, some gorillas maybe. Not all species are equal in their strength. Some can lift over 2000 kilograms while some can lift only 900.
But we are not talking about wolves here. Wolves have sharp claws and teeth.
What do unarmed humans even have?
Just chase it around for an hour till it's too tired to do much of anything.
Sure, assuming that such attempt doesnt cause it to actually attack you. Again, someone would really have to be brain dead to be first one to try and scare gorilla. And someone has to be front line there. 100 people cant all fit in small area, and trying to surround gorilla would create tactical disadvantage for men there, because any side where gorilla chooses to attack would be isolated from other sides. Surrounding means spreading, and spreading means there is less power density then for men.
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@Greyparrot
@TheGreatSunGod
If men in question cant lift more than 50 kilograms, it would take over 10 of them just to match the lifting power, and that is assuming they succeed in combining power there. If they fail, then it doesnt matter if there is even 100 of them.
It's not lift vs lift because there is no mechanism for guaranteed leverage.
It's lift vs weight.
What matters is that a gorilla can throw the weight of a man by grabbing him anywhere.
For example if four men were on the gorilla he would not be pinned, his arms vs their weight; he wins.
If the gorilla was on the men, they combined would be strong enough to lift him, but he wouldn't need to pin them to win. Just swing them around or crush them in a 'hug' (with bites).
For the men to win they need to pin the gorilla while they gouge out his eyes and then strangle him. So that's like seven men.
I'm assuming this is a total war kinda fight where mere pain won't stop anyone so breaking the gorillas fingers wouldn't help that much.
4 wolves can take a gorilla down easy.
Not sure about that either. Wolves can bite and hold on or let go when it's looking bad, but none of their adaptations have equipped them to handle a gripping opponent.
If the bison could grab the first wolf to bite and then break all his bones in seconds that bite wouldn't help.
Only an arterial cut would stop the gorilla, which is why big cats who specialize in precision ambushes have a much better chance. Gorillas aren't safe for them to hunt either.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Not sure about that either. Wolves can bite and hold on or let go when it's looking bad, but none of their adaptations have equipped them to handle a gripping opponent.
That's not how dogs kill. They wear it down till the muscles get floppy. You won't find any apes alive on the savannahs where wild dogs roam.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
For example if four men were on the gorilla he would not be pinned, his arms vs their weight; he wins
I will say this then, it greatly depends on strength, courage and weight of those men.
If we are talking about some men who weight 60 kilograms, dont work out and have no muscles, then gorilla could easily lift 30 of them all at the same time. And that is just strength of gorilla's arms. Gorilla's legs, teeth and maybe even nails mean much more than few casualties there.
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@TheGreatSunGod
For example if four men were on the gorilla he would not be pinned, his arms vs their weight; he winsI will say this then, it greatly depends on strength, courage and weight of those men.If we are talking about some men who weight 60 kilograms, dont work out and have no muscles, then gorilla could easily lift 30 of them all at the same time. And that is just strength of gorilla's arms. Gorilla's legs, teeth and maybe even nails mean much more than few casualties there.
The men have more resources than a gorilla for fighting.
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@Greyparrot
That's not how dogs kill. They wear it down till the muscles get floppy.
They keep running because they've got no other choice. The herd won't wait and nothing improves standing still.
Still they sometimes turn and fight to try and get a lucky hit in.
(I'm talking about normal wolf prey now)
So when the prey is worn down they do hold on and that is what triggers the ultimate collapse.
Regardless it's not about what works on bison, it's about what works on a gorilla. They're not going to wear a gorilla down by making him run. Certainly four aren't. If they try to sneak in for a nip that's a much bigger risk for them than it is for the gorilla. Bison can't hold on, the wolf is always in control of when detachment occurs.
Not so with a gorilla.
Also if the gorilla is allowed to run in this scenario, and they feel its wise, they'd go arboreal before they try cross country. The common heritage of the primate.
Hence:
You won't find any apes alive on the savannahs where wild dogs roam.
Apes don't graze grass. You won't find any wolves in the highlands of central Africa, their primary ability (endurance hunting) would be neutralized by the terrain. Specifically they would be easily out-competed by ambush hunters like the big cats that in fact dominate the biome.
Note that forests with low underbrush and high visibility can be just as good as savanna for the purposes of wolves and just as useless for big cats.
Also, hominids are the apes that adapted to savanna life. We competed with or allied with the canines who were doing daylight endurance hunting.
Also, hominids are the apes that adapted to savanna life. We competed with or allied with the canines who were doing daylight endurance hunting.
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@AdaptableRatman
Actually I might refer to myself as an agno-atheist, in so much as my hypothesising currently tends to run with some sort of Universal GOD principle.
But certainly not the specific MANGOD of the Bible, who nonetheless is reasonably analogical, in so much as Interventionist Super-Intelligent seeding is an evolutionary possibility.
And I do not believe anything.
But what is certain is that you are the same Ratman, who has just modified how he assesses and responds to certain acquired and stored data, therefore these days presenting with Catholic metaphorically stamped on his forehead..
So you've learned the ritual, learned the songs, and learned the accompanying rhetoric, though I still doubt that Jesus will save you from........?
Nonetheless I wish you well, though I will continue to question what it is that you think you believe.
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@zedvictor4
And I do not believe anything.
You need help.
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@Shila
One either knows something, or one doesn't know something.
Therefore belief is no more than just another speculative synonym, like maybe and perhaps.
But of course to believe comes with another set of baggage, which assumes to mystically exceed the limitations of human data processing ability.
"Assume"...Now there's another one.
So I assume maybe perhaps that Shila will reply to this post, but I do not believe that she will...Because she perhaps maybe might not.
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@zedvictor4
So I assume maybe perhaps that Shila will reply to this post, but I do not believe that she will...Because she perhaps maybe might not.
You were both right and wrong with your assumptions.