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@rosends
And let us know how the gentiles get to Heaven. 7 laws of Noah are far too vague.
It leaves no room for gentiles to have a relationship with Yhwh.
Non-Orthodox Jews cannot find a good reason to oppose converting to Christianity.
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@AdaptableRatman
The seven laws are too vague?
There is a lot of discussion and many details
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-seven-noachide-laws
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@rosends
Yes.
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@rosends
More the irrelevant, stupid and hateful bin. Do you ever say anything on point?
The Jews were warned by God.
How many generations are the sins of the father?
There's a phrase from Exodus 34:7 where God says that he will punish the children and their children for the sins of the parents to the third and fourth generation.
We are just one generation away from the Holocaust. Are we to expect more punishment of the Jews?
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@Shila
It isn't just that your question is illogical but that it is steeped in a lack of knowledge of the biblical text.
How about this - you keep on jumping from topic to topic, never trying to understand and I'll just watch you continue to say dumb things. If you ever pose a serious question, I'll consider chiming in.
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@rosends
It isn't just that your question is illogical but that it is steeped in a lack of knowledge of the biblical text.How about this - you keep on jumping from topic to topic, never trying to understand and I'll just watch you continue to say dumb things. If you ever pose a serious question, I'll consider chiming in.
The phrase "third and fourth generation" is often used in the context of generational effects, either positive or negative, stemming from a specific event or action. It generally signifies a lasting impact that extends beyond the immediate perpetrators and their immediate offspring. This impact can involve negative consequences like punishment or hardship, or positive ones like blessing or prosperity, depending on the context.
Elaboration:
Biblical Context:
In the Bible, particularly in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:5-6) and later in Exodus 34:7, the phrase "third and fourth generation" is used to describe the duration of God's wrath for those who hate him, contrasted with his lasting love for those who love him and obey his commandments. This suggests a lasting consequence of sin or righteousness that extends to multiple generations.
Beyond the Bible:
The concept of "third and fourth generation" is also used in secular contexts to describe the lasting impact of historical events, societal structures, or individual actions. For example, the long-term effects of slavery, colonialism, or other forms of oppression can be seen as lasting consequences that affect generations beyond the original perpetrators.
Examples:
Negative: The "third and fourth generation" can refer to the lasting effects of war, such as the generational trauma of veterans and their families.
Positive: It can also describe the positive legacy of individuals, such as the continued impact of a great leader's teachings on future generations.
The Jews view teaching and occurrence of the Holocaust as a positive legacy of the Jews. As evidence God held the Jews accountable for their evil acts. Punishing the third and fourth generation of Jews is a promise to be fulfilled.
Murderers of God's Prophets
The Jews had a reputation of killing the prophets God lovingly sent to them. ... murder God's prophets. Hence, Jesus calls them "serpents, brood of vipers. God stopped sending the Jews prophets or defending them and even allowed the Romans to destroy their temple.
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@whiteflame
I remind that Shila is having at least 10 posts explicitly being a Holocaust apologetic directly towards a Jewish member and that is in this thread alone, she has been antisemitic elsewhere.
I remind that Shila is having at least 10 posts explicitly being a Holocaust apologetic directly towards a Jewish member and that is in this thread alone, she has been antisemitic elsewhere.
I am a student of history and not a Holocaust denier. You cannot hide 3000 years of antisemitism or the Holocaust. My posts are also replies to posts that directly reply to my observations.
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@rosends
The seven laws are too vague?There is a lot of discussion and many details
The Noachide Laws are seven laws considered by rabbinic tradition as the minimal moral duties required by the Bible on all men. While Jews are obligated to observe the whole Torah - 613 commandments, every non-Jew is considered a "son of the covenant of Noah" and he who accepts these obligations is considered a righteous person who is guaranteed a place in the world to come.
The seven Noachide laws, as traditionally enumerated are:
Do Not Deny God
Do Not Blaspheme God
Do Not Murder
Do Not Engage in Incestuous, Adulterous or Homosexual Relationships.
Do Not Steal
Do Not Eat of a Live Animal
Establish Courts/Legal System to Ensure Law Obedience
Note Jews are obligated to observe the whole Torah - 613 commandments.
Having looked through Shila's recent posts, I have decided to suspend her forum posting privileges for the time being.
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@AdaptableRatman
Jesus was the Messiah.We are 4k years or so from the origin of Judaism's claim of a future Messiah. Who was it?
Not sure where you're pulling 4k from. It's more like 2.2k years or something, I believe. Late Second Temple period.
We could as easily say "We are 2K years or so from the origin of Christianity's claim of the Second Coming. Where is he?"
The boxes the Jewish messiah has to tick are pretty clear and I ain't seen anyone ticking 'em, so I guess the prophecy goes on.
The boxes the Second Coming has to tick are also pretty clear and I ain't seen anyone ticking 'em, so I guess that prophecy goes on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's pretty hard to get everyone in a faith to agree that a prophecy has been fulfilled, in modern times.
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@Castin
Judaism began 4k years ago that was actually later than the onceptual origin but when they formally began scribing it, announcing it. Other than Hinduism, it is one of the oldest religions ever to still properly exist today
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@Castin
Jesus did bring world peace and spread the faith around the world. He did it via his followers.
In fact, Judaism is anti conversion, it codn't spread ever how Christianity did.
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@AdaptableRatman
Judaism began 4k years ago that was actually later than the onceptual origin but when they formally began scribing it, announcing it. Other than Hinduism, it is one of the oldest religions ever to still properly exist today
Jewish messianism did not develop until centuries after that. You're smooshing all the periods of Judaism together.
Jews didn't start envisioning "THE" messiah until they lost their home and struggled with their faith and got shoved like cattle from one empire to another.
Jesus did bring world peace and spread the faith around the world. He did it via his followers.
Where is this world peace? Regardless, we were talking about the sell-by dates on prophecies, not which religion was more popular. You suggested the prophecy of the Jewish messiah was past its sell-by date; I said that if it is, then so is the prophecy of the Second Coming.
In fact, Judaism is anti conversion, it codn't spread ever how Christianity did.
Why does that matter? Is it wrong that they are not a very proselytizing religion?