Premarital sex may not be unbiblical

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Due to laws it is best for me to avoid discussing that topic
Christian laws?


Note that the fourth commandment says God curses 3-4 generations if direct bloodline ancestors worshipped false deities or pretended ti worship him while secretly harboring hate and betraying him
Not sure what does that have to do with gay people and their urges.

However, I will not go into homosexuality. It is just a part of reality that comes under sexual immorality for Catholics. No other explanation needed. Best for me to avoid the topic.
So no answer to question why did God create gays.
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Sure, the spirit of the laws is Christian. It says don't speak hateful about homosexuals.

I worry that I may end up seeming that way rather than seeming as the truth which would be trying to help them.

It is a topic best avoided.
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Note that the fourth commandment says God curses 3-4 generations if direct bloodline ancestors worshipped false deities or pretended ti worship him while secretly harboring hate and betraying him
Not sure what does that have to do with gay people and their urges.
Then you lack lateral thinking skills.
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Then you lack lateral thinking skills
So you wont explain. Is it because the explanation is stupid?

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Sure, the spirit of the laws is Christian. It says don't speak hateful about homosexuals.
I worry that I may end up seeming that way rather than seeming as the truth which would be trying to help them.
It is a topic best avoided.
So the topic "Why did God give people gay urges" is best avoided.
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If you cannot speak with respect and manners, let us take a break.
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So the topic "Why did God give people gay urges" is best avoided.
Yes
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If you cannot speak with respect and manner, let us take a break.
Alright. Then the question of gay urges remains not answered.
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You are describing how marital sex was normative and customary, not necessarily the way it has to be.
What dream world are you living in? I care about the way it was, about the way it is. Enter the realm of paganism if you enjoy and wish to justify premarital sex. In God's eyes, yielding to sin is wrong.
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@TheGreatSunGod
God created sin. Without sin, there would be no battle of good and evil. How can you tell if something is evil if you only know good?

The Bible tells you everything you need to know about sin. It tells you God created angels, and that one third of them rebelled. Satan was a beautiful angel. God gave His angels free will. He created the human, whom he too gave free will. Eve was tempted by Satan; she and Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Do you now understand why we sin? 



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In God's eyes, yielding to sin is wrong.
Are you god or do you just see through his eyes?

Religion makes a lot of people strong and compassionate, but it can be scary and it is never more so than when people confidently speak for god.

Those people lack that subtle subconscious realization that they can't prove a damn thing. They don't understand the difference between their fantasy where faith is all and reality where it means nothing.
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@yachilviveyachali
God created sin
Thats true.
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Satan is a beautiful angel
Praise!
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Try it sometime.
No, Shirley, I won't marry you just to have sex with you. 

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@ADreamOfLiberty
What are you talking about? Why do you deride faith yet ask me if I am God when I comment on matters concerning God?

Have no faith? Go away. It does not concern you. You know nothing. An atheist or agnostic telling a believer how to behave laughable. 
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Two more pages of utter bollocks, centred around the tenuous Middle Eastern mangod hypothesis.

Evolved organisms are compelled by innate messaging to procreate.

Then along came thinking organism, making up all sorts of conceptual stuff.

Like marriage and mortgages and fitted kitchens.

They also decided that sex could  be fun.

Trouble is that some mangoddists with little dicks get jealous, and either try and spoil the party or fuck choirboys in the belfry.


Night Night

Sleep tight.

And don't have wet dreams and offend GOD.
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@yachilviveyachali
What are you talking about?
The magnitude of your presumption.

Not only do you presume there is a supreme being, but you also casually act as his agent; which for an omnipotent being implies that even he himself couldn't say it better than you can.


An atheist or agnostic telling a believer how to behave laughable.
Not nearly as ridiculous as the inverse. My theory of the universe gives a role to human reason, so it follows that what I say might have value.

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He did say it via others at times but Jesus actually was and is him.
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Evolved organisms are compelled by innate messaging to procreate.
Is fornication aimed at procreation?
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Not only do you presume there is a supreme being, but you also casually act as his agent; which for an omnipotent being implies that even he himself couldn't say it better than you can.
He says it in the Bible, which I “presume” you neither read nor believe in.

Why comment on God and question those who speak His truth when you do not believe? Are you able to demonstrate that God wants us to sin? 

My theory of the universe gives a role to human reason, so it follows that what I say might have value.
Wonderful! I am...happy for you? 
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He did say it via others at times but Jesus actually was and is him.
Your saying that someone else said that god said.

I mean you might be wrong about someone claiming to speak for god via the thousand years of re-translation and telephone game.

Or they could have been lying.

Or they may have been tricked by ancient aliens, which despite polling, is a far less grandiose claim than monotheism.
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He says it in the Bible
Why does god need a bible? He can speak to anyone any time, telling them exactly what message they are "supposed" to hear by his supposed plan.

The only plan that requires a bible and 50 layers of hearsay about miracles in a pre-scientific past is a grand joke.


Why comment on God and question those who speak His truth when you do not believe?
People who think the way you apparently think are a threat to truth and liberty and that angers me, motivating a comment.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
On judgement day, Jesus will decide where you end up: Heaven or Hell.

Be ready with your excuses.
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Maybe only those who refused to believe without evidence get the reward.
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Maybe maybe.

Maybe.

Maybe your drowning in maybes is why you literally admitted online on posts you cannot delete that you engage in bestiality.

You are sick. Not sick in a 'yuck freak' way, sick like I literally pity you.

He can heal you, genuinely. He, Father and HS can save you from the Hell you already live in let alone the one that awaits.

Do you want a chance to be cured of your sick perversions? Genuinely consider it. This is not rhetorical or hateful. If yes, Catholic church awaits you.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
How can you ask “why does God need a Bible” when you only deal with the realm of your perceived reality? What are you trying to prove?


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Maybe your drowning in maybes
Maybe its a choice between drowning in uncertainty or drowning in delusion and the test is to see who has the courage to face the unknown.


is why you literally admitted online on posts you cannot delete that you engage in bestiality.
I doubt the causal relationship between rationality and zoosexuality. Also, I never precisely said that.

There I go with that skepticism again. Maybe you should write this down and claim god told you so that in a thousand years people will say it came from god.


I literally pity you.
The feeling is mutual.


He can heal you, genuinely.
What is the hold up then?


He, father and HS can save you from the Hell you already live in
Others claim suffering is the point as they stand helpless to explain why their imaginary god has not saved the many innocents who suffer.

Pick a story.


Do you want a chance to be cured of your sick perversions?
It isn't high on the wish-list.


Genuinely consider it.
I genuinely considered a lot. That's why I left the church, looking at what I would have become had I stayed (and meant it) I regret nothing.


This is not rhetorical or hateful.
Even if it was, I would consider logic first.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Do you want to be saved from the urges you have?

Yes or no.

There is a reason the secular psychiatry stuff cannot cure people like you. You people have literal demons possessing you.

You do not need an exorcism most likely. You can win the longer harder way.

Prots cannot cure your type either. I firmly say that with 0 doubt. Only Catholic methodology will gradually save you from it as we have a method to make any desire for sexual depravity gradually lose any hold on us.

Those sex scandal people failed to adhere to it properly. You need HS in you, not just to resist the urge. I am telling you, you are able to be saved from the actual trap you are in where you see and want a dog that way. It isn't easy nor just 'I believe' and bam. It is a road no weak coward can walk down without admitting he is both weak and a coward first.
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@yachilviveyachali
How can you ask “why does God need a Bible”
In this case, using a keyboard.


when you only deal with the realm of your perceived reality?
Oh I have plenty of fantasies.

The ability to differentiate perceived reality and manufactured reality (correctly) is called sanity.

The fantasy of Jesus is great. Still makes me cry sometimes.

Art is a lie that reminds you of a truth, and that can move you.

Insanity would be confusing emotional response with reality.


What are you trying to prove?
As always: whether the other guy has the answers or not.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
What answers do you have? You have decided that faith is fantasy and reality is, what, reality?

Art is a lie that reminds you of a truth, and that can move you.
Are you an artist? It's not uncommon for artists to be pretentious and not make any sense. Many are bigots dressed up as freethinkers. 

Oh I have plenty of fantasies.
 Animal fantasies?