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@iamanabanana
Okay, I guess I misunderstood what you were saying in some respect.
Why is Austin in your PoE though, he claimed gladiator which is a confirmable role?
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@Moozer325
Okay, I guess I misunderstood what you were saying in some respect.Why is Austin in your PoE though, he claimed gladiator which is a confirmable role?
"Austin has come in recently and made some really big posts, at first I was liking it. But the one thing I think is holding me back from town reading him is that it feels like he is selling his own towniness a little too hard. "I would have consulted my scum team, I wouldn't need to catch up, see I am town!" or "I didn't read the OP, see if I was scum I would already know there was 3 scum!", etc etc. He's done that a few too many times for my comfort level, and hes obviously experienced and smart enough to know that stuff would look good for him, so why even bring attention to it? In fact I might have bought him as town for all those reasons anyway, if he hadn't personally brought them up himself. Anyways I wanted to put him as a town lean, but thats the main issue I have with him for the time being."
Also a role being confirmable doesnt mean he is town. Anyways, hes not a strong scum read, but I did feel he was overselling his towniness a bit too far.
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@iamanabanana
Alright, I disagree but you have plausible reasoning. I seriously doubt that gladiator is going to be a scum role, but I don't think we'll be lynching Austin this DP anyways so I don't scum-read you for your opinion.
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Mikal acting as a town leader feels pretty towny, like how he's trying to create cohesion when day 1's on this site tend to go wrong pretty often due to a deadline scramble. His POE is roughly the same as mine, with Earth/banana/Moozer, I have Mharman and Wylted as weak townleans but not too confident.
Not sure what to make of banana's reasoning on me; me making self-analysis is NAI by itself, but the thing is, even if my analysis isn't necessarily reliable, that doesn't really invalidate my posts that are being analyzed in the first place.
Phrased that kinda poorly so: I can understand her being hesitant on her read on me; but I would trust it more if she gave an independent attempt to townread my posts, whereas right now, her read comes down to:
Also a role being confirmable doesnt mean he is town. Anyways, hes not a strong scum read, but I did feel he was overselling his towniness a bit too far.
So it feels like I'm just in POE despite her not really having read me (implied by saying I'm not a scum read, i.e. I am a scum read to some extent); and it can't be for the self-analysis itself, because other people have said it's NAI, and I don't really like how she just ignores my role; even if it *can* be scum, it's still town the majority of the time. Feels kinda hedgy.
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@iamanabanana
To me:
austin [is potential scum] for "I have to be town, I wouldnt do x and x otherwise"
Doesn't fit with:
I don't see this as being AI for Austin in particular; he often uses a lot of self-analysis in his posts, both as town and as mafia.Maybe you are right, but I would have just assumed all that stuff as true if he didn't point it out, so that's the only reason I thought it was odd.
Like... it's shifting a NAI thing at best into potential scum? Idk, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it feels like a contradiction. Banana, could you explain your reasoning here?
I liked Moozer's recent posts btw, I think he showed some genuine curiosity in his convo with banana.
and regarding the whole Moozer/Banana claim thing, I buy Moozer's soft, based on what I remember of his scum play I don't think he commits to that kind of soft like that as scum and he handled the whole thing pretty well. I don't really like banana pressuring Moozer to claim because he's been inactive, Mikal covered the reasoning well, but claims are meant to catch scum, not to punish people for their play.
I reread through Earth's posts earlier when Pie tagged me (forgot to respond to that, sorry), didn't really get a strong read because so much of this day phase has been Earth responding to pressure from Mikal and it's hard to get an accurate alignment read on that because either alignment can be defensive. I'd probably be willing to sheep Mikal there because I don't really have anyone who I find too much scummier other banana, who I haven't really read enough of to be confident in trying to switch the lynch to (nor do I think I have the thread influence to do so).
Btw, don't hammer early, we should use all the time we have.
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@AustinL0926
Btw, don't hammer early, we should use all the time we have.
Why do people say this?
It's one thing to go too quickly but we are like 25 pages in. It's enough information out
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@Mikal
had to go do something and that interrupted my catching up
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@Mikal
You unintentionally made a great point about my behavior...
"He'll have reads, look at the same things he already read, and come up with completely different reads."
It's a confidence things. When I'm hot I know it, and when I'm not, I second guess myself a LOT. This is something I do exclusively as town, because scum Mharman tries to mirror confident Mharman. Take a look at CoD:BlOps mafia, where I pursued the same few people for the most the time they were alive, because I felt they were targets I could get mislynched.
The unintentional point you made here is that second guessing myself might not be too helpful when I'm town... If I don't know what I want to do, I'm never gonna pursue anyone enough to verify my thoughts because I'm too scared of being wrong, which hurts town.
I'm gonna need to check over my previous reads one final time, but I'm going to start making some hard calls soon and yall can say whatever you think about them. Idk if you're town or scum, but consider this my way of saying "you right bro."
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@AustinL0926
Not sure what to make of banana's reasoning on me; me making self-analysis is NAI by itself, but the thing is, even if my analysis isn't necessarily reliable, that doesn't really invalidate my posts that are being analyzed in the first place.Phrased that kinda poorly so: I can understand her being hesitant on her read on me; but I would trust it more if she gave an independent attempt to townread my posts, whereas right now, her read comes down to:
I did say I was reading you as town absent of those posts though.
So it feels like I'm just in POE despite her not really having read me (implied by saying I'm not a scum read, i.e. I am a scum read to some extent); and it can't be for the self-analysis itself, because other people have said it's NAI
Im not other people, just because it didn't stick out to them doesn't mean it isn't something to think about. But I am not hard scumreading you over it either, I just would have seen those things you pointed out already, so you bringing attention to them just made me question the authenticity. Maybe I am wrong here.
and I don't really like how she just ignores my role; even if it *can* be scum, it's still town the majority of the time. Feels kinda hedgy.
Other than some of the common roles I've seen game to game, I don't know a lot about mafia roles yet. All I have to go on is you saying that you've seen this role on both sides.
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@Mikal
I can’t read through all this coherently atm but want to put out before we full pressure someone. We should absolutely make sure they are in a heavy lynch pool. If we start doing this shit where we push and all the claims start sounding good or well worded. Which I believe pie has already said about the two out there, we are going to take the risk of jumping between people and having to many claims come out. If much more come out this dp and we don’t commit to someone, we are giving mafia a huge advantage at night.
Max of 3 people need to claim today, and I’m probably going to support a lynch between those 3 people. Earth claimed and Austin claimed. So there’s one more person I’m comfortable getting a claim from. I like Austin’s vibe and the role mor. Earth does have the scummy behavior but that’s hard with Earth cause he’s scummy as town too. Moozer said he soft claimed, so I’m fine leaving it at that. Same with Casey. I townread Savant (crazy effort there but I have noticed a couple of things that made me raise an eyebrow, though it’s probably just me reading too far into it) and Banana because I actually agree with some of her logic regarding Mikal. Mikal has also raised a few eyebrows, mainly cause I think he’s trying too hard to get a lynch off on Earth hence the dumb logic with the GF/Lawyer. I think that leaves Wylted, Mharman, and Whiteflame for the last claim.
We need to lock in on someone but need to lock in on behavior. Specially if there is a fake claim. I just can see this happening. We go person by person and every claim sounds good and then we’ve given up to much.
3 max, then we make a decision. We should have the hammer down by the end of tonight cause DP ends early tom
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@Casey_Risk
Love this reaction from Mharman...
Typical Mharman, the reaction is NAI tho
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@AustinL0926
I don't see this as being AI for Austin in particular; he often uses a lot of self-analysis in his posts, both as town and as mafia.Maybe you are right, but I would have just assumed all that stuff as true if he didn't point it out, so that's the only reason I thought it was odd.Like... it's shifting a NAI thing at best into potential scum? Idk, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it feels like a contradiction. Banana, could you explain your reasoning here?
Like all those things you pointed out you wouldn't do as scum, seem kind of obvious to me. Like you not initially knowing there was 3 scum, I saw that and was like "thats a town slip", until you brought attention to it, then I had to second guess and be like "Maybe he knew the whole time, but was acting dumb about it to make it look like a town slip". If that makes sense. Then I started noticing you had done that a couple other times before that, and it just set off a little red flag.
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@Mikal
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@iamanabanana
Pick out of Wylted, WF, Mharman for the last claim
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@ILikePie5
Pick out of Wylted, WF, Mharman for the last claim
If I had to pick out of these three, it would be whiteflame because he is doesn't have a hard line stance and I suspect him of being willing to jump on one of the "easy lynch" bandwagons. Wylted might be second for me. I kind of town read mharman though.
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Official Vote Count:
Whiteflame- 1/6- Banana
Mharman- 2/6- Casey, whiteflame
Earth- 3/6- Mikal, savant, wylted
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@ILikePie5
Easy, WyIted. I mentioned earlier how his behavior is off for him, and other people made some good points about how his theme analysis and other posts ended up looking like scum trying to post but not fluff post.
Going to try to get on in a second and finalize my thoughts. Have spent so much time defending my reads that I need to stop and end on a recap. We are down to a few hours. So if the goal is one more claim and pick. We need to do that fast or just land on someone. Like 5 hours before are prob all asleep. Or so I would assume.
I do not agree with one more claim for what’s it worth but we need to decide somrthing. I much prefer just picking and lynching.
WF: Banana
Mhar: Casey, WF
Wylted: Moozer
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@Mikal
I do not agree with one more claim for what’s it worth but we need to decide somrthing. I much prefer just picking and lynching.
We’re not going to lynch blind.
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@ILikePie5
Do you think we have enough info to not lynch blind currently? If we target someone the character and role will get claimed anyway. I am just saying we pick that person off behavior and should not be to heavily swayed by their claim.
If we keep outing stuff and not following through we are cucking ourself. If we actually stay with a lynch pool, I’m fine with that.
Are those 3 hour final lynch pool. Cus they are not mine
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@Mikal
Do you think we have enough info to not lynch blind currently? If we target someone the character and role will get claimed anyway. I am just saying we pick that person off behavior and should not be to heavily swayed by their claim.If we keep outing stuff and not following through we are cucking ourself. If we actually stay with a lynch pool, I’m fine with that.Are those 3 hour final lynch pool. Cus they are not mine
No. Final lynch pool will we 1/3 + Earth + Austin. Earth over Austin always unless something happens, otherwise it’s a 1v1 between Earth and the last individual.
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@ILikePie5
Pick out of Wylted, WF, Mharman for the last claim
I think whiteflame is good I would go with mharman