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@Mharman
What are you asking for exactly?
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@Lunatic
Mafia were given exactly one fake role claim, and one fake character claim this time around
Do they go together? If we're not supposed to know, then don't say.
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@Earth
Didn’t you say that you had considered full claiming everything earlier, but decided not to?
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@Savant
Doesn’t sound like they do.
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@Savant
Do they go together? If we're not supposed to know, then don't say.
Hypothetically any role can fit together if you have a wild enough justification for it, but no I did not provide a justification.
Basically: Here is x role and here is x character.
Man this is a tough one. I still want Moozer to say something and give reads but this claim is rough. Lots of factors that contribute to it being strange. The hardest part like I mentioned is if mafia has a way to change guilty results. Behavior wise I really read him as scum or just total newb. But earth has been playing mafia for years
The way he came into the game, didn’t post a read till pressure, posted fluff, got angry when we questioned his claim. It’s just all strange.
The way he’s played the game is going to always have him in the lynch Poe just because of scummy behavior. If he’s town, mafia has no reason to kill him. They will keep him as a mislynch. Which is also why this claim is so deadly. If hes always alive everyday and he’s scum, we expect him to be alive because why would mafia kill him early. We potentially cant trust results.
For me my top 4 targets are still
Earth
Ana
Moozer
And Austin
Earth for all the above, and he is almost functioning as a fucked up miller at this point. Which typically always needs to die
Ana - just for my gut read and I still think she was trying to farm town cred
Moozer - inactivity and this could change if he has value to add or I get a town read
Austin - activity
Basically my suck reads I’m ok with are earth and Ana
Unless we want to just yolo an inactive if they don’t contribute. Which Tbf I don’t know another way to deal With them outside of Luna replacing or just hoping they show up.
Scum reads * earth and ana
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@Mharman
You mean #297?
I think Mikal is going after targets he thinks will be easy mislynches and I do not like it. Not one bit.
Home for the evening. Earth's claim is... Interesting. Give me a moment to gather my thoughts on it.
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@Mikal
As you mentioned odds are likely rough but the balance is town probably has very strong roles. If it’s 2 v 9, we are in better shape. If it’s 3v8 mafia is the favorite. Not considering tps.
Looking back at this post, is this a town slip? The OP says that this game is 3v8, no TPs.
It's definitely a fakeable slip tho.
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@Earth
No hold on
Was that Mikal? Wouldn't surpise me if its fake, but I think its probably genuine.
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@Earth
Ok I’m trippin nvm
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@Casey_Risk
Going to be honest. I didn’t read the large text part part at the start of the dp fully until way later. I had to read back through some of it when he mentioned trivia. Have not been at my computer a lot, just phone. I’m not sure if it’s a slip just that I was explaining my thoughts on odds and balance.
So, a few things about Earth's claim. It's a really weird one. I've never heard of it before, and it seems extremely limited in its applications. If I understand it correctly, then it only really does anything if Earth is alive at 2v1 LYLO, where it guarantees a town victory as long as Earth himself doesn't get lynched. Okay? That's so incredibly situational, though.
Savant's thoughts also echo mine - why was Earth seemingly so upset about having suspicion on him? Being sussed as a townie means you'll likely survive during the night (as long as there are no town killing roles), which would be good for him. And even if he does get lynched, I wouldn't call it a huge loss for the town.
So that obviously reflects poorly on Earth. But there are a couple other things I noticed. First, he said the role was used somewhat recently. As far as I'm aware, this is not true. I don't remember a role like that EVER being used before as long as I've been playing here, and I've played in every game from BotW onward, except for the previous two (due to being busy) and the ones I've modded. I struggle to see the scum reason for Earth saying "this role was used recently" when it wasn't.
The other redeeming factor: I actually really buy his explanation for why he said that he was thinking about just outing his character earlier. This is significant because Survivor is a really well-known series, so I would have to assume that mafia would be reluctant to soft it. Basically, if Earth is faking his claim, my intuition is that he very likely is using the fake character claim given to him by Luna. But he softed his character (kinda) so early on.
Unvote while I mull this over.
Savant's thoughts also echo mine - why was Earth seemingly so upset about having suspicion on him? Being sussed as a townie means you'll likely survive during the night (as long as there are no town killing roles), which would be good for him. And even if he does get lynched, I wouldn't call it a huge loss for the town.
So that obviously reflects poorly on Earth. But there are a couple other things I noticed. First, he said the role was used somewhat recently. As far as I'm aware, this is not true. I don't remember a role like that EVER being used before as long as I've been playing here, and I've played in every game from BotW onward, except for the previous two (due to being busy) and the ones I've modded. I struggle to see the scum reason for Earth saying "this role was used recently" when it wasn't.
The other redeeming factor: I actually really buy his explanation for why he said that he was thinking about just outing his character earlier. This is significant because Survivor is a really well-known series, so I would have to assume that mafia would be reluctant to soft it. Basically, if Earth is faking his claim, my intuition is that he very likely is using the fake character claim given to him by Luna. But he softed his character (kinda) so early on.
Unvote while I mull this over.
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@iamanabanana
It’s not going after people that are easy mislynches. It’s that people on that list I either read as scummy or they are not active. Everyone is town reading you, how would you be an easy mislynch? I think I’m the only one scum reading you
Earth I’ve explained in detail
And if not pressure or kill the inactives, how do you deal with them. Mentioned replacement at some point if they still aren’t here but just letting someone not post and sit there is just a free pass for someone to slip through to end game and be put in a situation when there are no reads or posts to look back on. You have nothing to base reads on at that point other than any Poe that exists.
There's also the argument that Earth probably wouldn't claim something so inherently suspicious when he's being so strongly pressured and thrust into the spotlight, though that's a WIFOM argument, so it's a bit weak.
Aight im back, been insanely sick these past 24 hours
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@iamanabanana
I think Mikal is going after targets he thinks will be easy mislynches and I do not like it. Not one bit.
Do you believe Earth’s claim? If so, why? If not, why not?
Kinda feel like Anna is just doing omgus on me. Also still want to iso earth when I get a chance.
1. Whiteflame - Pre 2000
2. Mharman - Pre 2000
3. Mikal - Pre 2000
4. Austin - ???
5. iLikePie5 - Pre 2000
6. Moozer - ???
7. Banana - Post 2000
8. Casey_Risk - Post 2000
9. Earth - Post 2000
10. Savant - Post 2000
11. Wylted - Pre 2000
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@Savant
I also have an alternative strategy for claiming shows: everyone does it at once. We all find an online clock, paste our shows in the thread, and at the exact same second (as it strikes 7 oclock EST, for example), we hit enter, submitting our characters to the thread. Scum have no time to look for competing claims to see what's taken.
A) Coordination is impossible
B) I think this goes against the spirit of the game
C) It basically overtakes behavioral analysis, which everyone needs to focus and improve on
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@Earth
Not liking post #155 from Casey.
Why?
Also if anyone wants to give me a TLDR it would be helpful
It’s not going after people that are easy mislynches. It’s that people on that list I either read as scummy or they are not active. Everyone is town reading you, how would you be an easy mislynch? I think I’m the only one scum reading you
It’s the complete lack of progress in your read. “Ana volunteered information unprompted”. I’ve responded many times explaining that I was pursuing information to lock scum down. I do not regret this action and even if you got me
Lynched for that reason right now I’d happily do it again in the next game, because it just isn’t a scummy thing and you are somehow trying to make it into one, yet every single person has complied with volunteering this information. Yet you repeat this scum reading over and over again as if it’s anything more than a talking point now.
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@Mikal
It’s not going after people that are easy mislynches. It’s that people on that list I either read as scummy or they are not active. Everyone is town reading you, how would you be an easy mislynch? I think I’m the only one scum reading you
It’s the complete lack of progress in your read. “Ana volunteered information unprompted”. I’ve responded many times explaining that I was pursuing information to lock scum down. I do not regret this action and even if you got me
Lynched for that reason right now I’d happily do it again in the next game, because it just isn’t a scummy thing and you are somehow trying to make it into one, yet every single person has complied with volunteering this information. Yet you repeat this scum reading over and over again as if it’s anything more than a talking point now.
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@Lunatic
TRIVIA:I am thinking of a mafia role that would be town aligned. This role's category is INVESTIGATIVE. This role would typically be x shot (usually 1x). This role can be considered overpowered with other investigative roles. This role is a day time role. This role has been used on DART before, but not recently. This role can be found on the mafia scum role list.What role am I thinking of?Good luck!
Alright the answer to this is easy. Everyone should go into tomorrow assuming that scum got the answer.
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@Savant
Though tbf I've seen Austin show up late and then start posting up a storm. Not sure we'll need a claim from him.
Why? At the very least, he needs to character claim. This behavior would be null