s for Banana, I think she mostly has some good reads this game, but... yeah, there are some surprising gaps and misreads. Maybe that's just a matter of the DP being so long and her having so much to synthesize, maybe it's the fact that I'm one of her scumreads and I just don't understand her reasoning against me.
Chances are I didn't explain it correctly, I am happy to do so though.
For example, looking at the basis she's using, she says I'm not "taking any of the mikal points in" when the central basis for my read of Earth in my post last night was balancing issues brought up by Mikal and Pie.
I did mention this actually: "Then he concludes that the claim is a "safe" role claim, and I honestly just don't see that after he just said he saw pies point. Again the only way that's a safe claim is if its the provided fake claim right?"
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you meant by safe but that seems to go against what earth actually claimed, which is something that I've been gathering is a more rare role, or one that isn't used often. That doesn't read safe to me, that reads as risky. Safe would be a tried and true go to claim, that mafia use frequently. I don't have any examples of what that might be, but soldier doesn't seem to fit that category from what I am picking up from the peanut gallery.
I am also not the only one to point out that the Soldier claim is "safe" since, if it is a fake claim, it is almost certain not to get CC'd. I did make the point that Earth would have to have been given Survivor as a fake character claim, not that he'd have to have received Soldier as a fake role claim.
So what makes it safe is how CCable it is? Let me ask, is people getting CC'ed a pretty common occurrence here? I think the last game was the first time I've seen someone actually get CC'ed. I technically CC'ed earth in russian mafia, but the mod admitted fault there for accidentally putting the phrase "first tsar" in two PM's.
That's the distinction. And yes, I made extensive mention of the fact that I have a hard time reading Earth behaviorally and left him as null as a result. He's never been top of my scumreads, but just seeing relatively normal Earth behavior doesn't shift the needle for me and I can't dismiss the possibility that he's fake claiming here. I don't see how that's odd or how the "math" doesn't add up. If leaving him in PoE makes me scummy, then that's not going to change for the time being, but that's the only thing I see here that seems basically accurate to what I've said about him. She also points out that my decision not to make a call last night on Mikal demonstrates my lack of commitment. I guess... apologies for not giving all my reads in one sitting at midnight? Also, as multiple people have pointed out, my being non-committal isn't a scumtell.
Maybe I am just being too harsh on my mikal read, but under the assumption that mikal is setting up targets he feels are easy mislynches, I am naturally going to be a little suspicious of anyone who is still scum reading earth based on anything mikal has said. When I was reading your reads last night, I saw him in your null pile and was trying to get in your head to understand how that happened, but with you agreeing with certain pieces of the pie logic, it was hard for me to wrap my ahead around how you arrived at the conclusion you did that earth was just "null" and it seemed kind of like an easy way to integrate yourself into the earth lynch if and when it may happen. I saw mharman also had left earth in the same spot, but I was looking at his thought processes to lead him there, and it didn't stand out to me as much so I didn't mention it.
