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Any man with integrity picks the man.  

Some current thing women will pick the bear.  They will say the man rapes them, the bear eats them, and they would (at the end of the day) rather get murdered than raped.

If that's your argument, then say you would rather be in the woods with a bear than a rapist.  That I won't agree with (I'd rather get raped than murdered), but at the end of the day, I'm not a murderer, I'm not a rapist, both people are very bad, but I don't know how the female brain works, so I'd be like, "whatever".

I can respect rather being with a bear over a rapist.  I cannot respect being with a bear over a generic man.

Calling a man a bear at this point should be like calling a black person the N word.  These crazy feminists have ruined it.  Go back to advocating against the wage gap, at least then I could respect what you're saying.
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I understand where you come from since I have been in your situation where I myself didn't understand why some many women would choose to be in the woods with a bear over a man. But when looking at the question you take it from a completely neutral stance  you've probably not dealt with a stalker or someone trying to rape you nor have you been hunted down by a bear (but I don't know you so whatever ) . The reason most women would chose the bear is cause at its core the bear is safer you're gonna have an easier time escaping a bear rather than a human (why cause a bear isn't as intelligent as us). theres also the fact that a man that wonts you dead so worse is far more scarier than a bear who wants you (The analogy I think about in this case is would you rather have someone stalking you but you know where they are and what there most likely gonna do or be the predictable one while your stalker is still on your ass). theres also the fact that for women rape is the worst thing that can happen to you for a man its death and in this case a man is more likely to rape you then a bear sure there's a chance the man is a better option but there's also a chance the man is the worst option. 
 
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I never thought of this problem that way. That in all probability the bear wouldn't eat or even bother the woman. The thing is., same with a man attacking her, small possibility. So what's the remote possibility a bear attacks a woman v the remote possibility a man does?
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The odds of being attacked after seeing a bear r 1 in 1000 and this even assumes the a bear sighting. Whereas odds of a man being a rapist is 6 percent. I think I'm convinced a man is probably worse
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What do I think of those stats I just gave
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Can 100 men even take down a grizzly?
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6 percent.
This stat comes from a 2002 study by psychologist David Lisak. He surveyed 1,882 male college students using an anonymous questionnaire and found that about 6% of them admitted to behaviors that legally qualify as rape, but without using the word “rape.” Importantly, this was not a national survey, not randomized, and only included students at a single university. It also relied on self-reporting, which is notoriously unreliable for sensitive topics. Using that to claim “6% of all men are rapists” is like surveying one dorm and declaring a national epidemic.

Moreover, Lisak himself never said that 6% of all men are rapists. His research focused on the idea that a small subset of serial offenders commits the majority of assaults, essentially that most rapes are committed by a few repeat perpetrators. So ironically, the study’s real message is the opposite of what the stat is usually used to imply: most men are not rapists, and those who are tend to offend repeatedly.

So no, there is no reliable national data that shows 6% of all men are rapists. The number gets tossed around without context, often to stir fear or score rhetorical points. The truth is complex, and using flimsy stats to paint with a broad brush does more harm than good, especially to real victims and to honest discussions around consent, crime, and justice.

if you're looking for a grounded estimate, somewhere between 0.5% and 1.5% of men might commit rape in their lifetime, not 6%, and certainly not a majority. That’s still deeply troubling, but it’s important to be accurate so we can focus on stopping real predators, not smearing entire populations with flawed stats.

Being near a hungry grizzly is vastly riskier than being near a random man, even factoring in all the fears people have about human violence. Statistically, the odds of being attacked by a stranger are extremely low, especially if we're talking about a random man on the street or in a public setting. But a hungry grizzly is a different beast entirely, literally and figuratively. When a grizzly is food-stressed, particularly after hibernation or in the lead-up to winter, its instincts override caution. At close range, say within 50 yards, your risk of being charged or mauled skyrockets, with some wildlife experts suggesting it could exceed 50% depending on the bear’s agitation, prior contact with humans, and food availability.

By contrast, the chance of being attacked by a man you pass in public is astronomically lower. Even in crime-heavy areas, random unprovoked assaults are rare, and violent crime statistics reflect that reality. A hungry grizzly isn’t calculating risk and morality, it’s operating on instinct, and to it, you might be food, a threat, or simply in the way. So while fear-mongering about men gets tossed around casually, the cold truth is this: if you’re in arm’s reach of a hungry bear, you’re in far greater danger than you would be walking past 1,000 random men.




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Also, its very likely a .5 to 1.5% man would leave you alive where a bear will not.

Also, even in the rare case that you did cross paths with the 0.5% to 1.5% of men statistically likely to commit rape, there’s still a significant chance you’d survive, because most human assailants don’t kill their victims. But a hungry grizzly isn’t trying to violate social norms or assert power, it’s trying to eat, and it has zero incentive to leave you alive. It doesn’t bluff, negotiate, or hesitate. Once it decides you’re a food source or a threat, it goes full force, and unless you have bear spray, a firearm, or sheer luck, there’s no mercy or second thoughts, just primal instinct.

The actual chance of being killed by a random man is incredibly low, well under 1 in a million per year according to FBI statistics. Most homicides involve someone the victim knows, like a partner or acquaintance, and only about 11–14% of murders are committed by strangers. Even fewer occur randomly in public without any prior interaction. By comparison, the odds of being attacked and killed by a hungry grizzly at close range are far higher, because a bear isn’t concerned with laws, guilt, or hesitation, it just acts. So despite the cultural anxiety around men, statistically speaking, you’re far much safer next to a random man, even more than with a man you know, than within sniffing distance of a starving bear.


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A highly skilled psyhopath in a dark forest is more guaranteed to harm you and do it effectively than a bear. The key with the bear is realising it may not attack at all. The man however cant be avoided to be triggered if he is predatory.

So the argument against bear is they do severe harm and may be triggered. The argument against man is if he wants to harm, it can be severe and nearly inescapable as he may know the forest far better than you and have trained nonstop muscle toning and skills for such a fight for months.
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Well said
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Lol, who cares if you are going to reduce the hypothetical to "do you want to be next to a murdering bear or a murdering man"...either way you are not escaping.
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Who would rather be murdered than raped? 

I was what they call “raped” as a child. I would choose this over being murdered, although if we are murdered we are murdered. There is not much you can do about it when dead.

A person who picks a bear in a forest over a man, even a man with evil intent, is a fool. Animals are unpredictable and can attack from nowhere. 


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Well said.
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I am certain that most women who pick man are thinking in that way as in they are min-maxxing it trying to pick the faster death and/or hoping the bear doesn't attack. They are not measuring probability but severity.
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A rapist in a forest is unlikely to let you escape afterwards.
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I'm not a murderer, I'm not a rapist
I think you'd still be pretty scary what with your instability.

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Whereas odds of a man being a rapist is 6 percent.

What do I think of those stats I just gave
I think 90% of statistics are made up.

6% of men are not rapists. Oh greyparrot already deep dove...
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Calling a man a bear at this point should be like calling a black person the N word.  These crazy feminists have ruined it.  Go back to advocating against the wage gap, at least then I could respect what you're saying.
Bears hug too. That where the phrase comes from.
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A rapist in a forest is unlikely to let you escape afterwards.
It is less likely if a bear gets its teeth and claws into you. 

Moreover, is it rape if you let the man have his way? What reason would he have to kill you if you engage? Not every male is Ted Bundy. They don't all want to behead you and have fun with your head afterward. 
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A rapist in a forest is unlikely to let you escape afterwards.
It is less likely if a bear gets its teeth and claws into you. 

Moreover, is it rape if you let the man have his way? What reason would he have to kill you if you engage? Not every male is Ted Bundy. They don't all want to behead you and have fun with your head afterward. 
Bears primarily live solitary lives, except for mothers with their cubs or during mating season when they may come together in pairs. While they don't form extended family groups or engage in coordinated hunting, bears can co-exist in close proximity and even form alliances. They also have established social hierarchies and kinship relationships. 
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Moreover, is it rape if you let the man have his way?
If he made it clear that he was going to use force if you said no, yea.

BUT pretending to change your mind is the best strategy to live to tell the police.
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Moreover, is it rape if you let the man have his way?
If he made it clear that he was going to use force if you said no, yea.

BUT pretending to change your mind is the best strategy to live to tell the police.
What if the rapist is not a mind reader?
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But the bear needs aggravation. It doesn't attack that often even if you are right there in front of it.

In actual fact it is not specified the gender or hunger level.
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I think a higher percent of men have the urges. The percent who act on it is also higher in a way but what they do is dubious consent. Drunk parties, drugs, manipulation, aurhority position etc.
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I have probably walked past thousands of people. Now, if I walked past thousands of bears in forest, I probably wouldnt be here now. So if someone thinks its better to live in a forest with bears, sure, go there now. No one seriously even holds that position there. These feminists go to parties and have sex with these same men which they call scarier than bears. If men are so scary, then maybe dont run into their embrace.
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If he made it clear that he was going to use force if you said no, yea.
Maybe we should not say no. Some people like violence, but if you don't, you should submit.

BUT pretending to change your mind is the best strategy to live to tell the police.
This would be a lie. A man would be able to tell it isn't real. You submit and you make it less violent, or you fight and make it more violent. Fighting means you might not be raped, but you will probably become a corpse if the man is inclined to kill you. 

What would you tell the police if you don't know his name or have license plate? “A man in the forest raped me, but I pretended to change my mind. I have no idea what his name is or where he is from.”

Why can't they just suck it up? 
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I have probably walked past thousands of people. Now, if I walked past thousands of bears in forest, I probably wouldnt be here now.
You haven't walked past a thousand people who could do anything they wanted to you without worrying about retribution from society.

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Very good comment. 
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DNA would be all over you.
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You haven't walked past a thousand people who could do anything they wanted to you without worrying about retribution from society.
This is why I am a bigot now. I know full well that those who don't fear a morally concerned deity are able to do truly evil stuff if nobody else is around. Some fake it though.

I don't trust atheists/agnostics much beyond what I am legally and/or professionally obligated to trust them with. I don't care how that sounds. I make an exception to family I have known for years. Those I have known longer in general I am open to trust somewhat.