Game Show Mafia DP2

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@Mharman
Convenience
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@whiteflame
Plz vote Moozer
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@Savant
To test the Popular claim? Alright:

VTL Moozer
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@luna
Plz post vote count
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@Lunatic
Plz post vote count
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VTL Moozer
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@Savant
Nobody else vote Moozer. 

Savant, don’t tell anyone else to vote Moozer.

Another thing I’m curious is if post 490 was a mistake… if my vote is being commandeered it throws the ideas I just had out the window
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Ok popular claim should be tested
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Unvote moozer
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Ok fine I guess that’s hammer if Moozer is lying but if not, no more.

At the very least I want to get confirmation or denial from Lunatic on 490
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if my vote is being commandeered it throws the ideas I just had out the window
Oh yeah good point.
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Now that I think about it, I do wonder if a teammate came up with a plan to have Moozer CC Austin to get him lynched, but I gotta think: Austin looked like he would be setting up for it, and any teammate of Moozer’s  would know he’d probably get lynched without getting Austin mislynched first if he did that

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@Savant
Idk why my vote would be commandeered now, but whatever. Worth testing
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Mafia were given exactly one fake role claim, and one fake character claim this time around
@luna - is there a split with this. I’m reading this as they are different claims. Can you confirm if this is one fake claim or a fake claim for each 


@whiteflame - the way I interpret this is you used the character claim and had to come up with a role that made sense. So yeah JOAT again wildly after last game is wild. But he is giving out items, you get three items, I have an item, and didn’t he also say the game is unpowered overall?

I don’t buy the JOAT. Nor do I like your behavior 


If you flip scum then it tells us if the fake claim was used. If you flip town , it validates what banana said and you likely to be left alive regardless because everyone is scum reading you 


you are a utility lynch that has a high chance of flipping scum

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@Mikal
Interesting. I wasn’t thinking of wheel spinner like a JOAT. He does get more powerful with more roles as it goes on.

Although it would be different given he needs to meet a condition.

So, I guess the argument is that this has to be Lunatic’s fake role claim

Ok, and that’s why you’re asking if the fake claims are together or separate.
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Yknow, despite a couple of reads of his I think are stupid, the small things like this are a towny sign for Mikal.
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@Mikal
didn’t he also say the game is unpowered overall?
I keep re-reading this and not being able to understand that last sentence fragment because I don't know what you mean by "unpowered overall." I think it's significantly more likely that scum haven't used a fake role claim at this point - there is no way in hell that Luna gave them Miller as a fake role claim.

Even absent that, though, I'm frustrated that you think I'd do something this obviously ridiculous. Again, this is your logic:

I never softed my roles beyond stating that I didn't have automatic access to them and that there was reason to wait. So that means I entered into this DP locked into absolutely none of these three roles, but I chose to claim them anyway after already seeing that Luna was giving out each of the three over this and the previous DP. Blatantly just copy these claims verbatim and present them to you. I then decided to claim I targeted Banana of all people, someone who has been on most everyone's sus list, and state that my role at least partially confirms her night action. 

Again, I entirely get if you're sussing me behaviorally. I entirely get if you're seeking my lynch for confirmation of Banana for utility. That's all fine and if that's sufficient for you to lynch me, fine. I get it. I just find it absurd, and I'll point this out in the endgame too, that you think I'd do something this lazy and obvious as scum. Claiming my own role and passing off as town is one thing, but putting out a claim that is CC'd in any way by the mod himself? That would be a new level of abject stupidity.
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If Whiteflame is scum it’s hard to imagine Austin as the teammate. No chance he would sac himself for someone also on the chopping block. If it’s Whiteflame, it’s probably that Moozer made a mistake. 

Just doesn’t feel likely through. Austin has the setup, and Moozer had the chance to back out of the CC and save himself but didn’t.

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Both of them had the chance, but for Austin, it already looks like he was faking the CC bait, so I wouldn’t be shocked if he stuck to his guns there when offered a chance out of it.

So I think the argument can only be used in Moozer’s favor.
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@whiteflame
If you are saying you would not claim that because it’s cced by the mod himself are you saying Luna js lying or bad at game design if that is your actual role?


If you think or agree the mod is cc’ing you. 

Why would he balance a game that way after saying both teams are not that powerful (I’m going off this from memory. I don’t remember seeing it but I remember someone saying it. Correct me if I’m wrong). He’s giving items, you have items, I have an item, other people could have items. Mafia would have to have somrthing to counter that. 

JOAT makes sense if it’s a scum role to counter some of the items. What I’m saying is you could possibly be claiming your actual role and used the fake character claim. Saying that hasn’t been used is even more wild. Everyone has claimed lol and wylted claimed a bunch of stupid shit. I think it’s likely you or earth that used it and it makes more sense with you 
  
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I’m touring our plants. Will not be able to post till this afternoon. Please do not lynch. I’ve been thinking about the optimal lynch
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I need to wait to hear from Luna but the way I interpret that text is two separate claims or he would have just said fake claim. 

But if he says these are two separate claims, I don’t know how income off you. For utility and claiming to verify banana almost right after she said her night action 

Yes I’m glad you see the utility though. On some off chance you are telling the truth and the game is wonky. You flipping town confirms what banana did. And if savant didn’t have something happen to him, it puts a lot of cred toward her being town.


Lets say you flip town , it’s likely she is town and we stop 2 milsynches. Where as if we lynch her and she flips town , assuming you are town, you still prob get lynched. We get two milsynchs or you are left alive as a milsynch. 


Lynching you confirms her statements and we can stop a potential mislynch. Both of you are everyones top scum reads. 

I think it’s likely you both are town
And it’s way more likely that it’s scum town 

And after tonight I will have a very hard Poe pool so I’m not worried about Ana 

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@Lunatic
Vote count? Also, does the previous one in post  490 contain a mistake… seeing as I invited before then?
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@Mikal
So, Whiteflame took his actual role, changed it up a bit, and added the name “wheel spinner” to it in order to make it match the fake character claim?

I can buy that, and I can also buy that Wylted use the fake claim

But this is largely speculative. Why not lynch between Moozer and Austin, the CC we already have?
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Can also buy that Wylted’s DID NOT use the fake claim*