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@Savant
Am I making sense to you? Or am I crazy
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@Mikal
Am I making sense to you? Or am I crazy
You do, but I think that one singular point isn't as solid as maybe you are assuming? My sus on WF is based on a lot of factors, one being the whole WyIted debacle I mentioned in my previous post. Even though I agree with your overall conclusion, I think it's important to look at that context and not just focus on the claim itself.
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@Savant
I agree with which is why I said all this after behavior. This is additive to that and turned into all that. But I am in full agreement with you. I think wylted just bit the bullet
With him being in bottom 3 and also serving to give validity to what Ana is saying. It just makes sense to Poe
I will have a fuck ton of Poe tomorrow or I’ll be dead and scum are fucked.
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@Mikal
@AustinL0926
I mentioned above it could also mean you are both town confirmed. But there was a pretty decent mistake there or Luna would not Jump in. He doesn’t do that normally.True. Idk, you know Lunatic better than I do, does him telling us not to read into mean that it's more likely that we caught scum, or that we're about to incorrectly lynch within two townies?
What was the context of this? I can’t find it.
Luna just didn’t let the cc happen and resolve itself. He felt compelled to jump in which means it was about to fuck up the game in his mind.
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@Mikal
Where did he do this? I’ll check through his posts again, but I swear I didn’t find anything there.
I have a way more important reason to sus him that I can’t say get either and it’s annoying -.-
I think there is a high chance results are not perfect this game almost 100 percent more so if he flips town. Which is also why I don’t buy it
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@Mikal
Luna just didn’t let the cc happen and resolve itself. He felt compelled to jump in which means it was about to fuck up the game in his mindWait, when did this happen?
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@Mharman
He jumped in clarifying some shit. I forget where and told us not to get bogged down on the 8/9 thing.
A mod doesn’t jump in and give game advice unless the game is about to end. He lets it play out naturally. The last time he did this was got mafia live where he had someones role at the bottom of another role pm and tried to correct it mid game. At least the last time I played with him that he did it.
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@Mikal
Luna jumped in because we asked him a question about the 8/9 thing. Was he supposed to not answer?
Basically he confirmed a scum on accident and was saying don’t think to hard about mod pych etc. seems very similar.
Trying not to focus on this that much cus it can either win a game against the spirit of it or just go down the wrong path entirely. Just was notating when he has did this in the past. The game was in jeopardy
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@Mikal
I probably shouldn't have said how many answers were submitted in hindsight, people are willing to make whatever they want out of it, but its possible I messed up on that
Ok I found it. I missed it the first time.
That being said, to me it sounds like he’s just casting doubt ‘cause he doesn’t want his game to be cheesed off it.
Sorry Lunatic. I know you don’t want us thinking about this, but I feel like we kinda have to here.
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@Savant
I think him jumping in after the cc and saying don’t get stuck on this is very sus lol
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@Mharman
That’s what I’m saying. I think the game was in trouble of being over and he didn’t want a cheese and wanted to put it back to right
Again I am not focusing on this but when he’s did this before it was because he did something that was going to result in the game getting fucked
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@Mikal
Welp, unfortunately for Lunatic, I think that regardless that we should be certain one scum is between Austin and Moozer.
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@Lunatic
Sorry man. I know you hate it but town’s gotta do what town’s gotta do
That’s why I want to hit wf today. I can Poe and come back with a lot of information tomorrow and if I’m dead. Shit will make a lot of sense as well.
I think I’ll have the scum team down to 3 (like without a doubt aside from fuckery) and the rest will be confirmed town
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
Tbf, one of you knuckleheads is getting lynched for your mistake today, so Lunatic shouldn’t even be blamed for what happened imo
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@Mikal
It that rests on assumptions on what you think is a good PoE and allows for some extra fuckery to happen later. I think we just take what we have here.
Please, don’t be the dog that goes for the bone in the reflection of the water, and ends up losing the bone already in his mouth.
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@AustinL0926
And yes, I do think whatever you’re planning is still a mistake, based on the fact that I saw it.
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@Mikal
I agree that we should lynch WF. I'm legitimately concerned that Moozer vs Austin is town v town.
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@Mharman
Trust. I have a good strategy.
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@Earth
All this will be solved tomorrow and wf gives me more info for a Poe. I just have a strong reason to not believe his claim.
Behavior - the wylted., him or you character claim shit, and another reason I can’t say for balance.
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@Mharman
@Mikal
Again I am not focusing on this but when he’s did this before it was because he did something that was going to result in the game getting fucked
I've played many games and screwed myself over because I thought "this is just like that one other game" and it wasn't because of context I ignored. Don't hyperfocus on one point. Moozer and Austin are strong town reads for other reasons. We can come back to this later, but neither of them are even close to suspicious enough to justify lynching them today.
This game is honestly moving too fast for me to keep up, so all I'm really doing is trying to focus on a few important things and leave the rest to players who have better context than I do.
I townread Moozer and Mikal behaviorally; I don't buy that Moozer is a GF or got lawyered when scum already had two information-obscuring roles, and I think that regardless of Earth's alignment, Moozer is town, since scum!Earth would have to guess three consecutive mislynches while explaining away why scum!Moozer doesn't get NKed despite being copped innocenct. Mikal is for his involvement on Wylted, his consistent care for the game and willingness to reevaluate, and just some genuine moments which felt very pro-town, e.g. trying to consolidate town together at the end of last day (which also gave us enough time to lynch Wylted).
Savant is a strong townread; his depth of thought, nuance, and just sheer effort is something I would be incredibly shocked to see coming from scum!Savant, especially with the knowledge that he just came off a long and very competitive towngame in Champs. The way he's been constantly reevaluating, finding new reasons to change his reads, etc, it just completely lacks TMI.
Pie is less of a strong read, but he's felt very much in his town meta this game with his constant aggression and call-outs at things he sees; it doesn't feel like he's being passive or reactionary at well and that's always a good look. I also liked the way he approached Moozer/me earlier in the day, and his posting has consistently not really pinged me as being scum, which is good enough for me when I still don't have reasons to discard my POE.
Earth is a light townlean; I do buy that he won the prize yesterday, and if he's town, the way in which he used and handled it made sense. Strictly speaking, there's nothing stopping him from being scum who faked an inno on Moozer, but it doesn't make a ton of sense regardless of alignment; either he takes away an avenue for an easy mislynch when he could've just not claimed the prize at all, or he ties himself to a teammate and just prays for endgame when neither of them are particularly well-positioned.
Banana is a toss-up. She's had some moments that worried me a lot yesterday, but her approach to me/Moozer as well as being willing to reconsider her reads reads kinda pure. I wouldn't be surprised to see her flip either way, I don't really have a clear read on her but it is what it is.
For whiteflame, I can see the concerns but I'm also not sold he's scum. His claim is convenient, but convenient claims don't equal scum claims; basically, I think it's NAI because he could have done it as town as well, so all that remains is to evaluate him by behavior. I had a light townread on him last day phase because he seemed to be a lot more active than his scum meta; unfortunately, today he's been under heavy pressure, so it's been harder for me to evaluate him this way. I'm not sure what to make of his response; I think he'd probably be annoyed at the pressure regardless of alignment, but I also, from memory, feel that Whiteflame's meta as scum when under pressure is a lot more underhanded; he tries to deflect or just rolls over entirely, whereas here there's some genuine annoyance. It's a weak reason compared to my strong townreads, which is why I can't take him out of POE, but on gut, I do feel this way.
Mharman is my only scumlean; I agree with whoever said that his timing on Wylted could easily be a bus; he conveniently pressured him early in the day yet that pressure disappeared later when it came to crunch time. His response to Savant doesn't read well either. The most important factor for me here is how opportunistic he seems - even after Lunatic literally said not to read into the CC, and others are townreading both me and Moozer and find it more likely that something got messed up with mechanics, he's trying to force the idea of there being a scum inside the pair. That's an easy way to get two mislynches back to back which conveniently puts us in LYLO. I don't mind town getting concerns over the mech, but I do mind that he's trying to expand the POE by two players in a way which doesn't feel like he's actually trying to solve the pair, just trying to lynch within it.
I've played many games and screwed myself over because I thought "this is just like that one other game" and it wasn't because of context I ignored
I know this sounds like contradictory advice, but it's happened enough times that I think it's true as a general trend.
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@Mikal
Just to be clear - if we give you the prize, you *will* fully explain the reason why tomorrow, right?