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@Savant
lol
May we end this game now? This game is getting irritating God. I'm not bothering with the rest of this DP. Its Banana and Mhar.
vtl Mharman
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@Earth
May we end this game now? This game is getting irritating God. I'm not bothering with the rest of this DP. Its Banana and Mhar.
You may be right, but we should be hedging our bets. I've been screwed over before by being impatient. If we go through with the plan and kill you today while checking banana, then you can leave it to the rest of the town. Yeah it'll take a little longer, but on the off chance it's not those two we'll be glad we hedged our bets.
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@Earth
I'm not bothering with the rest of this DP.
We really do need you to hammer yourself to optimize the sensor.
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@Earth
cmon dude wheres your spark. actually play the game dude. At least explain your thought process
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@Mharman
@Savant
I'll hammer myself if I must.
@Mhar
You know, it boils down to just Good Old Fashioned PoE. I town read Savant, Austin and Mikal. Moozer is also town. So that leaves just you and Banana really. Who do you think is scum?
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@Earth
I believe I've seen into someone's soul. You find out sooner rather than later
I've typed out half my questions. I'm going to sleep, will finish it and post it in the morning
i just can't stay up any longer
And again, yall better not end the DP before I get the chance to finish
Gn
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@Savant
I’ll go ahead and knock most of these out in a single post
Earth might be a scum
But he copped me innocent
That leaves just two left
- the poet Moozer
SCUM MUST BE BETWEEN BANANA AND MHARMAN
🌎👮♀️🫎😇 so 😈🟰🍌🏀🙋♂️
It’s 7:19 right now which means we still have some time left in the DP, but only because it’s 7:19. Remember, if it’s not 7:19 then we have less time left in the DP becuase right now it’s 7:19. Just remember, it’s 7:19.
Banana’s OMGUS in the first DP wasn’t very WIFOM but it’s probably NAI. Even so, she’s in my POE. I didn’t see anything in the OP about banana though so I’m not sure what she did last NP, but I know she didn’t get the NK or use a RB or a PGO.
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@Earth
@AustinL0926
@Savant
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
IT'S INTERROGATION TIME!!!
FIRST ROUND OF QUESTIONS:
Banana
There's a a few good things from you I like seeing that make me townread right now. However, with my current townread on Savant, and a janitor on Casey that looks catered toward obtaining a fake claim for someone who needed it, I should ask you some questions, to clear all doubt.
1. Nearly the entirety of your activity this game has been centered around defending yourself from Mikal, and scumreading him off it. Where is the effort to scumhunt others?
2a. What you made you suspect Savant NP1?
2b. What do you think of Savant now?
3a. Is there any way you and Savant could be a false dichotomy?
3b. How likely is it?
4. Your early decision to out your character’s premier date aligns with the incentive to janitor someone for their role. Why can't this be the case?
5. What do you think of the idea that you and Mikal are teammates and hard bussing each other?
6. What is the case for you being town?
Savant
Yes, I have decided to add you to the list. I like Banana's behavior. Since you are the other one of two players who could benefit from janitoring Casey, Banana has become somewhat of a challenger to you. Therefore, I should cover my bases.
1a. Is there any way you and Banana could be a false dichotomy?
1b. How likely is it?
2. Why is annoyance/anger/frustration listed as a townlean for some people, but a scumlean for others?
3. You seem to think I bussed Wylted. What do you think of the idea that you are scum with Wylted, and hard bussed him?
4. What is the case for you being town?
Moozer
To be honest, I’m not completely sure how to read you. I thought I was, but there’s a couple of weird things that bother me now.
1. DP1, you implied that others were mislynches, while not calling yourself a mislynch. Why?
2. DP2, you had said I might have been trying to bait you into saying you were in a discord with Lunatic. However, you thinking about that makes me wonder if you’re thinking about how you can’t say you’re in a chat with him. What is your argument against this line of thinking?
3. Austin is role confirmed, and so are you. What do you make of that?
4. What do you think of Austin?
5. What do you think of the idea that mafia team failed to submit an answer DP1, and that you and Austin miscommunicated yesterday on who gets the town cred, and are both scum?
6. What is the case for you being town?
Austin
I was scumreading you hard last DP. But then your role got confirmed. I believe there is a good chance you are town because of this. I believe your role would be OP in scum’s hands- and that since your role exists, it makes more sense for town to have a bailout than scum. However, I have one final nitpick with your role, and some loose ends bother me.
1. Your role is one way town can get help with the numbers disadvantage. However, so is Earth’s, and (possibly, but very unlikely). Your take on this?
2. Last DP, you had a methodology that involves town coordinating to give a single person an item. I didn’t get to ask you about this last DP, but you do realize that methodology tells scum who got the item, and helps them plan accordingly, right?
3a. Post 79 DP2: You claim to be baiting scum, but who’s to say you aren’t baiting town into such a CC, for sacrificial purposes that could get a teammate one step closer?
3b. This plan makes sense if your teammate can win the game sooner than expected, or if your teammate is widely townread. Thoughts?
3c. I gave out some specific plan mafia may have been going for last DP. What are your thoughts on those?
4. What do you think of Moozer?
5. What do you think of the idea that mafia team failed to submit an answer DP1, and that you and Moozer miscommunicated yesterday on who gets the town cred, and are both scum?
6. What is your case for being town?
Earth
I’ve always felt the incentives for you claiming soldier as scum were low, and that soldier is plausible. But in the wake of new claims, one verified, I’m not as sure. This is especially true as you’ve all but left the game.
1a. Your role is a way for town to deal with their numerical disadvantage. However, so is Austin’s, and (possibly, but very unlikely) Mikal’s. Thoughts?
1b. Let’s assume there isn’t room for all three. Your role would appear to be the least likely in the game, since, to me, it would be evil of Lunatic to have a game where scum could possibly lose after getting three mislynches in the first three DPs. Why is this not the case?
2. Any reason why you’ve all but disappeared?
3. It seems like you aren’t too interested in going forth with your hidden task, despite how important they are this DP. Are you going to get to that a some point?
4. What do you think of the idea that you could be in a team with Savant, given that he townreads you so hard, to the point where you’re not in his PoE?
5. What is your case for being town?
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@Mikal
FINAL ROUND: MIKAL
YYW/Coal once said “never be completely honest about your reads, even as town” (paraphrased)... and I did just that this time around. Truth be told, I never trusted you at any point last day phase.
But, I had felt you had some positives, stuff that looked hard to fake. I decided to go along with what you were doing as a litmus test, to see if there was any genuine way you had a surefire game solve. It would’ve been quite the reward for my patience. Suffice it to say, I’m disappointed. And that stuff from earlier? I’m convinced it was some darn good acting. You are a very good player, after all.
Last DP, I had hinted that there was a way to tell if you were lying, but not the same reason you had given. In the night, I predicted you would holster your vanillizer, and claim whatever investigative result suited you. In particular, I had felt you would “track” me and out that I visited no one, getting the last bit town cred you needed off the fact that I could confirm your visit.
Granted, that didn’t happen. Instead, you scum slipped (hey- even great players make stupid mistakes sometimes, especially true if they’re a little rusty). I’ll explain why at the end.
As for my questions… Good luck, scum.
FIRST QUESTIONS:
1. To start this game, you went after Whiteflame off the rip. At first it looked like reaction testing, but tbh, some of it was a little excessive. Almost like you were ragebaiting him. But there’s only so much ragebaiting one can do for an honest reaction test. At a certain point, it becomes an attempt to see if you can frame someone off a negative reaction. I believe you were going for exactly this. Why not?
2a. You speculated if Whiteflame was universal backup. This was already pretty anti-town, given that Whiteflame hadn’t made his role blatantly obvious. Wouldn’t you say so?
2b. Wylted was also trying to pry info out of people, namely when he asked someone if they were the show Cash Cab. I sense a pattern. Don’t you?
4. I’ve come to understand that there’s an incentive for Banana to out her role early as a way of obtaining a claim with janitor. But at the time, you questioned why she was so quick to reveal it, before the janitor was known. You didn’t question it when Pie did it last game. What’s different in this case, at the time (key phrase: at the time)?
5. This game, you’ve been constantly saying you can’t read me… but last game, you townread me right off the bat. What changed?
6. Last DP, you wanted the item so bad… in addition, you wanted Whiteflame, an investigative dead. This aligns with someone who doesn’t want things messed up by those pesky investigatives. Doesn’t it?
7a. Your claimed ability is VERY similar to Whiteflame’s who has flipped town. You both gain additional power through your role. I wouldn’t expect both of those roles to be town. Would you?
7b. On top of that, you have claimed an additional ability, beloved princess. You are the only player in this game who has claimed to have multiple roles. Seems odd, right?
7c. You’re widely townread by everyone else. As the game goes on, you’re going to keep having to explain why you haven’t been NK’d. Beloved princess fits the bill, does it not?
7d. You have claimed rolecop on top of your other roles. Not only does scum normally have this role, but it’s an investigative role, which Whiteflame and I also have. Is there a reason for you to think there’s room for all three?
7e. I find it odd that you haven’t given your justification for jeopardy being beloved princess, why is Jeopardy beloved princess?
8. If you truly were trying to bait the night kill last night, you’d have nothing to gain from dying in the night. As I understand it, the next night phase being skipped. Town would be in evens, so you wouldn’t have gained us an extra DP. You just would’ve died without being able to reveal your tracker results. Seems like quite a ridiculous risk for a beloved princess, no?
9. In an earlier question to Austin, I noted that his plan revealed to the mafia who has the item, allowing them to plan around it. Given that you wanted the item, you seemed quite unafraid of dying in the night; it doesn’t seem like something a beloved princess would do, either. Points to some inside info, doesn’t it?
10a. Earlier, you had said you didn’t use the tracker because you used the rolecop. But when I asked Lunatic a question (post 87), it was confirmed that you could have used both last night. You lied. Why?
10b. You’ve drawn a lot of attention to the fact that you “could’ve died in the night”, and a real beloved princess would undoubtedly be aware of it. Given 10a, a real beloved princess would’ve used both tracker and rolecop, correct?
11. I notice you wanted Whiteflame to claim over Wylted in DP1. As a matter of fact, you were the only one defending Wylted for most of last DP. Why?
FINAL QUESTION:
11. How is this NOT a scum slip? (It is, 100%.)
Earlier, you said Moozer was “town popular.” The problem? Role cop doesn’t work like that. Role cop checks role, not affiliation. There is ZERO planet on which Lunatic confirms “town popular” to you. Popular is the same role, no matter if its scum popular or town popular. If you truly rolecopped Moozer as town, you would have just rolecopped Moozer as “popular.”
You would know this too, so you had no reason to rolecop Moozer after his role was confirmed.
I believe you scumslipped by revealing rolecop results on Moozer when you were supposed to falsely claim you tracked him, and added the extra function to your role to try and cover it up, lying that you couldn’t use both at once along the way.
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@Earth
@AustinL0926
@Savant
@Moozer325
@iamanabanana
Boom goes the dynamite!
After you’ve answered your questions, pay extra attention to my case on Mikal. He scum slipped, and it’s blatant. I’ve caught him.
VTL Mikal
If y’all want to go for Mikal as soon as this DP, I’m SO down. But nonetheless, the odds of Earth being scum and having a 1x politician cannot be ignored. If you want to vote Earth, I’ll will join you, although I prefer we lynch Mikal this DP.
Under no circumstances, however, should either of them survive the next two lynches (today and next DP).
Lastly, I know Mikal is scum. If Earth flips town, my leading theory for the final scum would be Moozer, given that Mikal felt the need to “town confirm” him. Notice how Mikal was defending Wylted for a long time in DP1.
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@Lunatic
vote count?
that is an essay and I will try to read through that all later. Yes role cope works that way and yes I was given the result
“Popular townie”
I confirmed with Luna it would say townie or mafiso before I picked between that and the doc. That’s not a scum slip you doofus. It’s literally how he gave me the role.
Also moozer was not role confirmed. Moozer was tested and Lunatic often and I mean very often uses popular mafioso as a way to throw town.
I would rather confirm what his role was. Because it would indicate whether he was a popular townie or popular mafiso. Which heavily gives credit to Austin
With the wf flip, him having access to all his stuff, me having access to a role cop or a doc if I got my question right (and savant had claimed investigation)
There is a high chance scum could have a lawyer, redirector, godfather, bus driver or something to fuck with town roles.
So yea confirming moozer locks in Austin.
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@Mharman
Acknowledging your case, especially on Mikal, I have some thoughts but I want to see how Mikal responds to the pressure first.
Regarding your questions:
1. Your role is one way town can get help with the numbers disadvantage. However, so is Earth’s, and (possibly, but very unlikely). Your take on this?
They seem pretty unrelated, Earth's has to do with an alternative town wincon while mine just redirects the lynch. Any sort of role which messes with the fundamental mechanics of the game, as well as to role mechanics, can be argued to do this.
2. Last DP, you had a methodology that involves town coordinating to give a single person an item. I didn’t get to ask you about this last DP, but you do realize that methodology tells scum who got the item, and helps them plan accordingly, right?
I was aware of the risk, but it was a much lesser risk than town being uncoordinated and letting scum get the item, which is a hundred times worse. People were also already coordinating to give a single person the item, my plan just lessened the risk of mafia voting the 2nd place consensus pick.
3a. Post 79 DP2: You claim to be baiting scum, but who’s to say you aren’t baiting town into such a CC, for sacrificial purposes that could get a teammate one step closer?
If I was baiting town into a CC, wouldn't I follow through with it? And with one scum dead, the last thing I'd do is let myself die when I have what would be an OP role in the hands of scum.
3c. I gave out some specific plan mafia may have been going for last DP. What are your thoughts on those?
Could you remind me of that?
4. What do you think of Moozer?
Prolly town by behavior and cop check, unless he's exactly scum/scum with Earth but I've never lynch him first in that pair.
5. What do you think of the idea that mafia team failed to submit an answer DP1, and that you and Moozer miscommunicated yesterday on who gets the town cred, and are both scum?
I think it's a towny theory by you but it also doesn't make sense for a lot of reasons; me and Moozer are independently towny, Wylted was active enough D1 to submit an answer, and I wouldn't take the towncred, I would let Moozer do so because I'm confident in my scum play ability to not need to take the out, especially - again - since my role would be broken as scum.
6. What is your case for being town?
1. My role, doesn't make sense from a balance pov as being scum, and I wouldn't trigger it this early, if I was scum I'd lie and say something else and only use it if I got run up and was going to get lynched.
2. My meta, as scum I'm way more tryhardy and navigate the thread pretty carefully, I'm in my town meta where I just coast along and give my thoughts on what I feel is interesting or important.
3. I don't think Wylted ever interacts with me like he did in thread when I first entered, he tried to pressure and get me to claim immediately and my response to that was pretty clearly genuine, if I was scum I take the opportunity to do theater instead of just acknowledging his pressure then moving on and solving tbh. Not sure how much this means if you don't know how I play scum but I do feel that's the case.
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@Mharman
@Mikal
If either of you are around, could you vote me? Just need to start getting my list of 10 agendas done.
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@Mikal
Yes role cope works that way and yes I was given the result
Not according to mafiascum, mafia universe, or draferman's list
As far the part about Luna saying two roles could be used. I was told I could use one “action” during np1 when I asked. If he allows me to share the screenshot I will. I didn’t confirm last night phase, I only had asked when I used the double jeopardy’s portion during the first night phase.
He may have been referring to the jeopardy role and the use of another item but that is how I interpreted it
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
Unvote VTL Austin Unvote VTL Mikal
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@Mharman
I don’t know what to tell you bro.
You are saying two things that are completely opposite from was told to me in pms. I’d be happy to share if lunatic allows it. M
I literally copy pasted the spelling
VTL Mharman
Oh my god you suck. There is no way that you could possibly be town after that vote. I'm so towny that anyone voting me has to be scum and you know. You thought you were going to get away with voting me, but you're wrong. Die scum.
unvote
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@Mikal
Lunatic's not gonna allow that and you know it
VTL Austin
VTL Banana
VTL Earth
VTL Mikal
VTL Mharman
VTL Moozer
VTL Savant
probs two scum in this list