Gameshow Mafia Endgame

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1st place: Mafia (Banana, mikal, wylted)
2nd place: Town (Earth, Moozer, savant, mharman, austin, ilikepie5, whiteflame, caseyrisk)



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Well busses are still OP in 2025 I guess lol. Grats to mikal and banana for selling that bus that carried them to the finish line. I don't really give MVP's, but despite the end blunder, I still think mharman did an amazing job, and it was obviously a very frustrating position to defend against Mikal and savant, but I think for the most part he did an amazing job. Pie did great as well, was on banana like white on rice the moment she claimed after picking up on caseys soft hint. I think savant had a very strong start, but mikal pulled one over on him towards the end, and he can hardly be blamed for that, mikal is did an amazing job, and is definitely the mafia MVP. Everyone did awesome, it was fun to watch.

The gameshow thing did NOT turn out how I expected and I probably won't do that mechanic again. There are too many ways to break games, and I can't blame town for trying to win but the game breaking stuff really went against the whole idea of what I was trying to do and it worked against mafia a lot (especially the agenda one, and technically the vote one austin figured out too, if mikal wasnt so crafy in gaslighting you all for votes). And savant did point out that sensor is a night time use role, and I fvcked up by calling it a day time use role, my thinking obviously was that since it interacted with a lynch count it as a day time use role, but technically the role is still used at night. So that was my bad. I also fvcked up when I forgot moozer hadn't submitted an action either. I got half my submissions from discord, half from dart, and for some reason I thought one of the discord accounts that messaged me was moozer, and I was WRONG. Anyways, I never should have told town to begin with how many  votes were submitted, just was naive enough to think it wouldn't bite me in the butt later. Also I could have created rules about no game breaking the games, I just didn't think I would need to, so that was a lesson learned for me. Despite all that mafia still pulled it off, so that's pretty amazing. 

Good job yall, sorry for the errors, hope you still had some fun. 
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Why tf would you choose not to use your role. Forget about the number of lynches. We get a free tkwnie
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Why tf would you choose not to use your role. Forget about the number of lynches. We get a free tkwnie
I was being town read by almost everyone. I am the free townie.
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Why tf would you choose not to use your role. Forget about the number of lynches. We get a free tkwnie
For the most part I agree with you, but if he used his role and it still resulted in a mislynch, town would have been screwed either way, but it also decreases the chances of said mislynch, so imo it would have been a calculated risk to take in dp 2 or 3. 
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You’re reducing POE by using your role. If you weren’t ever going to use DP3, then why tf wouldn’t u use it DP2. 

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The idea was that I VTL myself, scum sees it and types up their own VTL, and I beat them to the punch and Unvote before they post their VTL, exposing them for trying to quickhammer. The would post it, and to their horror, the page was refreshed to show I unvoted first
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For the most part I agree with you, but if he used his role and it still resulted in a mislynch, town would have been screwed either way, but it also decreases the chances of said mislynch, so imo it would have been a calculated risk to take in dp 2 or 3. 
He couldn’t use it DP3 if it was a mislynch on WF. So you use it to figure out if WF is scum or not. And then the Banana lynch was easy
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You’re reducing POE by using your role.
Which a lynch also does. I wasn't in PoE, so there was no need to town confirm someone else.
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I also love how no one even talked about my comments
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At which point it was fine for you to sacrifice your position as the free townie and give it to someone else who could need it
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Expected more from u tbh
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I do eat fake claims for breakfast tho
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Which a lynch also does. I wasn't in PoE, so there was no need to town confirm someone else.
Ya but a lynch is not confirmed to be a townie. You sacrifice yourself but we don’t run the problem of a townie sussing you like Mharman did. Exact same problem with Mikal’s claim. It was the perfect role for you to confirm
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And then the Banana lynch was easy
We lynched banana anyway. Earth was also in PoE, so was Mharman. At the end I had Mikal at 64.5% odds of being town, though I'd basically stopped fidgeting with the percentages except to get the correct average. I don't know what could have happened to reduce Mikal's town odds below 50% in the final day, at least from my POV. I did figure the princess claim might be bogus, but there was a legitimate reason to do it in terms of avoiding a night kill.
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It was such a trash fake claim. I also love how yall never asked for a justification. I literally said Mikal’s position depends on his role. Literally no one ever talked about it
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Theme split was "Newer Game Shows" Vs "Old Game shows" mafia were all game shows that came out in the last few years, town was all game shows from 20+ years ago or more. I also heard streaming vs non streaming speculated from mafia, and while wasn't what I was going for, it is still technically correct lmao. 
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You sacrifice yourself but we don’t run the problem of a townie sussing you like Mharman did
Sure? But Mharman was in my PoE and so was WF. The benefits of potentially avoiding a townie sussing me were outweighed by the risk that WF was scum and then my role was just a waste.
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I thogubt I asked that in my questions to him, during the interrogation?
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We lynched banana anyway.
Ya but we would’ve had confirmed townie WF alive to use a role. I’d still be alive. Mikal would’ve been dead instantly in LYLO if either one of us were alive.

Earth was also in PoE, so was Mharman. At the end I had Mikal at 64.5% odds of being town, though I'd basically stopped fidgeting with the percentages except to get the correct average. I don't know what could have happened to reduce Mikal's town odds below 50% in the final day, at least from my POV. I did figure the princess claim might be bogus, but there was a legitimate reason to do it in terms of avoiding a night kill.
Wym avoid a NK. A BP wants to be killed in the night lmfao
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I had already told Luna I was waiting an hour to make sure no unvote happened. 


I had all the kills and pushes mathed out at dp2 

Just had to follow the formula 
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Wow, good job to the mafia! I totally didn't suspect Mikal at all after late DP1.

I will say, I am very frustrated that the town believed Banana when she claimed my character and role. I thought it was SO OBVIOUS that I was softing Fear Factor. Even Wylted pointed this out! I was actually beginning to sus Banana by the end of day one and was considering targeting her, but I had been laying down hints that I was going to use it on Mharman and wanted the town to actually be able to follow my hints correctly in case I died. I didn't expect to be Janitored, however.

Balance feels slightly scumsided tbh, but it was a good game regardless!
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Ya but we would’ve had confirmed townie WF alive to use a role. I’d still be alive. Mikal would’ve been dead instantly in LYLO if either one of us were alive.
If I'd thought your reads were better than mine, then I would have had different reads? Obviously I thought I was qualified to continue being alive, it's all hindsight for me at this point.
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Sure? But Mharman was in my PoE and so was WF. The benefits of potentially avoiding a townie sussing me were outweighed by the risk that WF was scum and then my role was just a waste.
Again, you remove 2 players from POE by using your role DP2. Yourself and one other townie. We also use the lynch for further POE.
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Again, you remove 2 players from POE by using your role DP2
But I wasn't in most people's PoE.
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Do not feel bad. By the time you could have used it. The game was over. Would have had to use it early and it’s easy to say when you weren’t there, things were obvious. You did a great job all around but I had a very strong character claim and feel like I played it pretty decent. Also mharm was making it very hard to town read him 


His reads were on point mostly other than Ana.  But the rambling made it very hard for him to sell it 
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If I'd thought your reads were better than mine, then I would have had different reads? Obviously I thought I was qualified to continue being alive, it's all hindsight for me at this point.
Ya that’s the issue. You were basically selfish this game by not using your role. 
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But I wasn't in most people's PoE.
At that point, but that can change as the game progresses, as you saw by Mharman susaing you
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You were basically selfish this game by not using your role.
I only now my reads are bad in hindsight. If I'd known I was mostly wrong, I would have used my role obv.
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At that point, but that can change as the game progresses, as you saw by Mharman susaing you
I still had a chance to use it the next day, and even then I didn't see a need to use it.
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@Mikal
What was your main reason for busing your two teammates? Did you think it increased your odds of victory, or did you think it would be more fun to win that way?