I have achieved peace when I understood that everything is decided by God alone

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God alone.

God wills it always.

Even if we take as granted that free will exists, everything is still determined by God.

God already knew all your choices before he created you. In this way, all your choices are determined by God who let you exist and not let someone else exist now instead of you.

So in a sense, it is not logically possible to even say that everything was not determined by God.

God creates everything, and thus determines everything there.

May God will it!

I tell you now, God creates and destroys. Goddess Arachne has already weaved the web of the universe. Gaia has determimed everything. Odin sees all things.

Something cannot happen unless Gods themselves will it.

So when something happens, I am not upset because it is the will of the great Gods who control all.

Gods created me for their purposes.

I am the will of great Gods!
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God alone is singular. Are you a monotheist?
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God alone is singular. Are you a monotheist?
When it comes to my belief, I dont know how many Gods exist now. It could be 1, could be infinite too. It is really not my place to say how many Gods exist.
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So who made the other gods in your understanding of reality?
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So who made the other gods in your understanding of reality?
Do you think I have knowledge about Gods? I am just an ordinary person here. I cant know Gods or even understand all about them. They are beyond me.

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So you don't know yet claim you do know in the OP
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So you don't know yet claim you do know in the OP
Thats right.
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There are multiple claims in your OP, make 1 thread per claim/issue. I will tackle one by one when I have time.
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There are multiple claims in your OP, make 1 thread per claim/issue. I will tackle one by one when I have time.
Thank you for instructions.

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If you don't understand God why do you deny God could possibly generate aouls and brains that operate in ways he leaves partly random?

Then he may even intervene at times from a sevedre nuclear event etc but generally is hands off to rig anything like that and goes where he sees the grain of savung the most goes, without destroying free will.
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why do you deny God could possibly generate aouls and brains that operate in ways he leaves partly random?
Omniscience.

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Can God make randomness aspects, yes or no
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Can God make randomness aspects, yes or no
Omniscience means God already knows everything.

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Yes. So for instance he knows all that would unexist as their parents would never have met to have had sex if the butterfly effects if Hiter and Stalin etc didn't happen.

He has to unexist every single one of them to make it so Hitler unexists. Or he has to violate the core principle of free will and rig Hitler's life, which still makes it so that the butterfly effext mean he unexisted many many subseauent deaxendants of parents who wouldn't have met or sperm donors that dont make it to ivf (Catholics are against ivf but it seems sin is inherent to humankins and we cannot deny all lives matter so ivf babies are valid treasured lives but as a core principle we stand against it being normalised, encouraged etc).

The reality is also this, God makes with free will but he foresees the usage of free will and adapts to prayers most likely too at times, else prayers of the sort that beg for things wouldn't have any effect. He is also wise enough to foresee far ahead any prayer he answers, the butterfly effect consequences. He has reasons he denies some prayer and I am heretical in saying this as Catholic scholars and saints say denied prayer are just you having too little hope and faith. I don't think it is solely that. God must surely actively decline some prayers even if you fully have faith and hope. Surely.

God allows tragedy because he wants to test all in a free will environment. He was able to randomise certain elements of souls and maybe even brains. This is very plausible as at the quantum level, God even has made electrons able to be at 2 places at once, meaning random between the 2 and it is random, irrational chaos, yet at the zoomed out level we have consistent laws of biology, physics, chemistry and psychology.
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He was able to randomise certain elements of souls and maybe even brains
Omniscience means God knows everything, so he cannot not know something or its result.

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He can leave randomised some elements of the soul and brain.; not all, some.

What happens is after he has created and left random, he can foresee it all, yes.

That means he does not predetermine it all yet he foresees it all. He will at times intervene hence miracles or even terrors like Noah's flood.

He has reasoning we cannot perceive as mortals, behind when he does and doesn't intervene because he perceives ALL butterfly effects.

He is plausibly creating with randomisation then foreseeing where it ends up and adapting it to fit his overall plan. These do not contradict.
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That means he does not predetermine it all yet he foresees it all.
He creates everything and knows everything. He knows all what he creates.
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What is the definition of predestination?
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What is the definition of predestination?
That God creates everything.
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No, it means God wilfully creates all not just deterministically but with predetermined intent.

If he randomises the souls and brains to some degree in a way we cannot figure out as we are not on his level of operating, he then can be omniscient but have non-predetermined outcomes he foresees. This is the only realistic non atheistic way it even can work, if we are intellectually honest and justifies the Catholic God.
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No, it means God wilfully creates all not just deterministically but with predetermined intent.
I would disagree there.


If he randomises the souls and brains to some degree in a way we cannot figure out as we are not on his level of operating, he then can be omniscient but have non-predetermined outcomes he foresees. This is the only realistic non atheistic way it even can work, if we are intellectually honest and justifies the Catholic God
So you think God doesnt know what he creates there.
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Slightly so, yes. In that he is capable of somehow having a randomness element to souls and brains that he does not dictate at all unless they allow him to via accepting Holy Spirit, welcoming his grace, Christ's guidance etc. (dictate is probably a heretical word there but it fits your context)

He knows after initiating creation, what will occur. He adapts that at times plausibly. He does not create with full predestination.
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So you think God doesnt know what he creates there.

Slightly so, yes
I guess God you believe in doesnt know everything then.
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I will admit, it is confusing to me too.

For instance how did he limit himself as Jesus to a baby brain experience and limited knowledge until he got resurrected? Actually even then, whike resurected but not yet in heaven it is not 100% clear to me whether or not he was again fully omniscient or not.

What I know is that as humans, for instance, we know many things that at 1 given moment we are not paying full attention to. If God can ignore things while creating, then pay the full attention after, it is also plausible but I am not sure that makes sense for 1 main reason: that father is truly different to the other 2 when it comes to how he is operating, as far as I know.

Father is 24/7 omniscient, omnipotent and all. Only Jesus and HS were.proven able to restrict tbemselves to specific forms/realms etc. for instance in Hell, Jesus and HS have zero presence at all, or we at least presume so. Father is watching it 24/7 maintaining it, running the punishments (no, Satan is not, pagans and Protestants invented that idea).


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Who made your GOD Ratman?

Or was he very conveniently and not necessarily made?

Just floated about for eternity, then one day just thought, hmmmmmmm I'll make some stuff.

What d'he make it with?

Or did he just fart?



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Even if we take as granted that free will exists, everything is still determined by God.
I  can't go there. Either free will, or personal agency, exists, and is available to us fully and always, or it is not personal agency at all. I grant that God can be omnipotent in some regards, but I believe this is neither a constant condition nor necessity. Many things God does that do not require his full available use  of power, just as we do not always use our entire strength availble for all tasks.  That does not violate our free will; it is not an either/or proposition. In fact, I have said before on this site that contrary to what most here who accept the existence of God, I do not think God, himself, is totally responsible for anything. We say God the Father was our creator. But, biblical research reveals that he, God the Father, created the Earth, at least, by his Son, our Savior and Redeemer. God delegated the work, and probably delegat3ed it to many valiant souls before we came to earth. I like to think I was responsible for frogs [kidding, but I like them]. Our choices to do whatever are our choices, not God's. He may desire certain actions by us, but will never force them. Even if we acknowledge an angel and demon on our shoulders, constantly whispering in our ears [I don't personally agree that is a 100% presence, but it's sufficient for argument], they cannot move our muscles nor our deciding brain to think and act. We do that, and maybe by suggestion, but it is, in the end, by our decision to act.
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Father is 24/7 omniscient, omnipotent and all
Then he cannot create something and not know about it. I do hold belief that God has omniscience. There were people who disagreed with that, but the only way to disagree with that is to also claim that God isnt all powerful either. At that point, what they believe in isnt exactly God.
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Either free will, or personal agency, exists, and is available to us fully and always
I am saying that while free will can exist, a world created by God who has omni science is fully determined by that God then.

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I would appreciate if you didnt mock religions.
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I question religions that you cannot answer.