Corrupt billionaires aren't the only parasites

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@zedvictor4
You are quite deeply confused. I have not said anything about being isolationist. I simply draw a distinction between robbery (taking someone's money away without their consent) and trade (taking someone's money in exchange for something of their own as a result of explicit agreement of both parties).

You can make the case that robbery should be the cornerstone of the economic system, as it has been throughout history, and that is fine. But that you cannot even entertain the idea that you can get highways the same way as you get your groceries or electronics - is quite telling.
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I think it is you who underestimates the scale of the job.

You've got approximately 160000 miles of National Highways in the US.

Do you think for one minute that voluntary contribution will pay for its upkeep.

And who are these friendly incorruptible road contractors that will be  collecting and administering your contributions.


You also seem deeply confused about what a society is, and what social responsibility is.

So there's you in your tent in the backwoods, not contributing to the social budget...Life's going to get tough.

Pick your State wisely, because you won't want to be paying any sales tax on those groceries and electronics...But it might get a bit cold up North.

Though you won't be earning anyway, on account of income tax robbery.


And keep your gun handy because it won't be just bears that you have to worry about.

There will be all your fellow anarchists to worry about too.
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I am not talking about voluntary contributions; I am talking about voluntary transactions. People pay for using highways, highways providers make profit - everybody wins. This is how trade works, and this is how 99% services out there are provided. That roads are an exception is an assertion that, so far, you have backed up with absolutely nothing.

Do enlighten me on "social responsibility".  Is an example of it some states that in the 1800-s had the law mandating that everyone report runaway slaves to the authorities? Or the laws in Nazi Germany that required you to tell the officer of all the Jews you know and locations of their residences? I am okay with you accepting "responsibility" for these things, but I want no part in them, and I want everyone who wants no part in them to have the choice to withdraw - which does not mean isolationism at all.

If I am an anarchist for not wanting to be forced to do something against my will and not wanting to force others to do so, then you are an anarchist for not buying a pound of pineapples because I said so. You, sir, are making me very unhappy with your dietary choices. Have some responsibility, outcast from the north, and go fetch a pound of pineapples, please.
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So you wish to use the highway, and pay to do so. That is taxation, whosoever might take your money.

So I use the highway but don't pay to do so. Then what?...Whosoever will take my money against my wishes...This is robbery, as you put it.

So we have two systems wherein both you or I contribute towards the upkeep of the highways.

You think that system1 is robbery and system2 isn't.

And I think that system2 is robbery and system1 isn't.

Though you think that Government is a conspiracy and I think that private ownership of State infrastructure and services is more prone to corruption.


And "social responsibility" is self explanatory...You are either a part of a society and contribute towards it, or you are not  a part of a society and you don't contribute.

Whereby you are a self determining individual who sees no worth in a society and in social governance...An anarchist in other words


And let's be realistic, to remove oneself from the responsibilities of State and the inevitability of government, one must isolate oneself.

And as yet after 65 years, the British government has never forced me to buy pineapples.

Though I do occasionally, voluntarily buy a pineapple.
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No. Taxation involves taking people's money by force, while voluntary trade involves taking their money as a result of their consent. The presence and the absence of the gun pointing at the person from the shadows makes the difference.

Some people cannot deal with others without threatening them or having someone who threatens them back them up. It is fitting for such people to live on an island run by a king.