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that change gives Mods far more leeway to interpret CoC as they see fit.
No it doesn't. It cuts down the 'crimes' to just harassment, threats, and doxxing. Of course a sufficiently deluded interpretation can twist anything, but that's why I would call it treachery and not adherence.


There is a reason you sit behind TOR
Is that a threat against my person?!?!!!

Are you saying without TOR you would hunt me down and torture me?!!?!?!!?!?

[That is twisting]
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Don't wait for me. You'll be disappointed.
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Until this thread, there was nothing whatsoever about the way he acted that screamed RM. Plus, he'd not only have to change religions but also his standard-ish liberal politics for hyperreactionary monarchism. As someone who once pretended to be him for troll purposes way back in the day on DDO, it's not hard for me to imagine someone else impersonating him either.

Plus, over DMs I asked him a question he would probably remember the answer to were he RM, and I've yet to get a response several minutes later.
All this pretending and name changing is unhinged as hell in my opinion.


I kept my name for a decade for a reason. I want to be held to account for what I say and do.
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Can't you just create a new email?
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I might be a bit late in this forum but I will say it anyway: 
Congratulations AdaptableRatman for getting this position, although being new to this website, I have fully witnessed your dedication and respect it. 

The website situation: 
So are you basically saying that the owner isn’t responding, hence it doing his duty, and because of this we have to start all over again? 
Like the whole website?
What will happen to our accounts?
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I will have to at some point, but that's not enough to push changes from my local machine. I would need to route a git toolchain on my local PC through TOR.

If you don't care about me writing code at this point and just want advise send me the github link. I can almost certainly view it anonymously.


Are you guys talking about saving what's on debateart.com right now?

I remember when debate.org closed somebody said they had an archive but I was never able to get that. If you're creating something from scratch it's possible we could format that old data and recreate the entire history of debate.org and debateart.com in the new site.
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If you don't care about me writing code at this point and just want advise send me the github link
It's private, I'd need your github username. You don't have to push though. Also I'm pretty sure no one else with access is gonna try and trace your local machine.
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If you don't care about me writing code at this point and just want advise send me the github link
It's private, I'd need your github username.
I see, then I'll try to create an anonymous github account at some point before mid June.


Also I'm pretty sure no one else with access is gonna try and trace your local machine.
The digital world is not like the real one in many key ways.

It can have a perfect history when logged, which means even if I 100% trust everyone who appears to be part of a conversation that doesn't mean one of those needs to come after me to compromise my identity.

Someone or some organization could come back five years later, pull logs from github, and make the connection.


The overwhelming advantage is with the secret-keeper, but he has to know how to keep a secret.


Speaking of, SSL (HTTPS) is no longer optional in this day and age; if you don't have that on your list of TODO add it. It's the first thing to make things more complicated when going from 'hello world' to a functioning server.
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Our CoC bans encouraging criminal activity.

In almost all nations, bestiality is criminal activity.

You know what the law thinks of this and hide behind all that so you can abuse sites like this. It is very blatant to me.

I am not the chief moderator. I really do not worry much about this situation.

It is a Sunday for me, I did not ask for this announcement to be rn. I am not sure what you think is going on. The laws of the world are such that ALL discussion of bestiality and pedophile apologetics is ending ASAP here.

I will work with superior rank mods to ensure that.

You hide behind out of shame. I understand shame well. I am ashamed of things also. God can save you, changing your life can save you. Posting here about bestiality apologetics cannot save you. It is just not something to ever allow online.

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[AdaptableRatman]Our CoC bans encouraging criminal activity.
It does not. Here it is in full:


DebateArt.com Moderation Policy

DebateArt.com is committed to promoting an environment where users can engage in open and thoughtful debate on any topic, no matter how controversial or offensive it may be. Our moderation policy is designed to encourage free speech while ensuring that all users are treated with dignity and that our community remains safe and constructive.

Respect for other users

Users must treat other users with reasonable respect, and refrain from personal attacks/insults with the purpose of causing harm to another user. We do not tolerate any form of harassment, bullying, or threats of violence. All users are encouraged to engage in productive and respectful debates, even if they disagree with the opinions of others.

Constructive debate

Users are encouraged to present well-reasoned arguments and avoid logical fallacies. We do not permit the worst forms of trolling, such as spamming, posting irrelevant or inflammatory content, or engaging in personal attacks. However, we do allow more borderline forms of trolling that are intended to provoke thought or stimulate debate, as long as they are presented in a respectful and thoughtful manner.
No plagiarism or cheatingUsers must write their own arguments and not copy or plagiarize content from other sources. Cheating, such as using multiple accounts or vote manipulation, is strictly prohibited.

Doxxing and impersonation

Doxxing (the posting of personal information of others without their consent) and impersonation (pretending to be someone else) are strictly prohibited on DebateArt.com. This includes impersonating the site owner, moderators, or other users.
Extravagant lies, not to be confused with mere context issues, may rise to the level of constituting impersonation.

Renaming of threads or debate titles

Moderators have the right to rename a thread or debate title if it is deemed to be offensive or inappropriate. This includes any title or thread that is harmful or offensive to a particular individual or group.

Reporting violations

Users are encouraged to report any violations of our policies or guidelines to the moderators, who will investigate and take appropriate action. Please include specific details and evidence to help us address the issue quickly and fairly.
Moderator actions

If a user is found to have violated our policies, the moderators may take a range of actions, including issuing warnings, suspending or banning accounts, removing content, or renaming threads or debate titles. Our goal is to maintain a dignified and constructive community for all users, while also promoting free expression and constructive debate.

By using DebateArt.com, you agree to comply with our moderation policy and any updates or changes to it. We reserve the right to modify our policies at any time to ensure the continued safety and integrity of our platform.

Does not contain the word "criminal"


I am not sure what you think is going on.
I think a mentally unstable individual got his hands on some petty power and despite claiming otherwise will abuse it as evidenced by the fact that his stated agenda is likely incompatible with the community rules:


DebateArt.com is committed to promoting an environment where users can engage in open and thoughtful debate on any topic, no matter how controversial or offensive it may be.
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We shall be proud to show our family and friends IRL that we are DARTers.

What exactly will make any particular family proud is nebulous but you've made it clear that you think it means "family friendly" as in "you can show this to students in high-school and nobody will have an issue."
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you think it means "family friendly" as in "you can show this to students in high-school and nobody will have an issue."
Yes and I myself ruined that. I shall see what they let me clean up here.
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Wow.
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@AdaptableRatman
Our CoC bans encouraging criminal activity.

In almost all nations, bestiality is criminal activity.
In many times and places there have been immoral laws, or laws criminalizing harmless behaviors. Zoophilia isn't objectively one of them, but in any case the question of what the laws ought to look like will always be an open one. To advocate for decriminalization of zoophilia isn't the same as to advocate for breaking laws against zoophilia while they're still on the books. If the CoC is unable to make that distinction, then it's nothing but a handbook for censorship and not worth respecting.
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Your kind words mean a lot. Ty.
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Yes we will be censoring. Give it time. There is content that needs to be censored to eventually clean this website.

The owner 'Mike' cannot even put this on his professional portfolio because of how degenerate it is.
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See my above post, I am sure you agree.
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Zoophilia isn't objectively one of them
It is objectively one of them. You know what thread to go to if you want to debate it. I am still going to contradict that assertion even if you don't.


If the CoC is unable to make that distinction, then it's nothing but a handbook for censorship and not worth respecting.
As I pointed out in my first post on this site and in the thread where the rules were changed to remove references to criminality.

If it was illegal to advocate to change the laws, then what would the point of democracy be?

A universally applied rule like that would ban anyone who suggested amnesty for illegal migrants.
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Is this going to become a cyclical thing, with the website dying and being reborn out of the same community?
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DDO rises from the ashes, every time.
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Hoping we can avoid that with the newer site by not relying on one owner. Gonna give multiple people access to the code. If you are willing to devote an hour or two to learning Node.js, plz join us. I can send you the discord link.
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Hoping we can avoid that with the newer site by not relying on one owner. Gonna give multiple people access to the code. If you are willing to devote an hour or two to learning Node.js, plz join us. I can send you the discord link.
This is exactly what we will be doing to ensure continuity. 
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I've taught myself some coding to a very basic level in the past. I'll consider it.
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Hoping we can avoid that with the newer site by not relying on one owner. Gonna give multiple people access to the code. If you are willing to devote an hour or two to learning Node.js, plz join us. I can send you the discord link.
This is exactly what we will be doing to ensure continuity. 

That's good! I think the number one other thing you need to do unlike this site is have some actual good search engine optimization. It's crazy how difficult it actually was for me to stumble upon this one. 
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 I agree with you btw, the CoC as written is so vague on what laws can and cannot be debated.

I won't do much rn for irl and pacing reasons plus today is Sunday. I trust in God. My prayers have already been answered by this promotion.

God is great. I am his servant, slavelike even. My mission is his alone, not yours nor the other mods'.
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DebateOnline

Fuck it

Debate.com

Full circle
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That last one is actually super friendly to search engines
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That's good! I think the number one other thing you need to do unlike this site is have some actual good search engine optimization. It's crazy how difficult it actually was for me to stumble upon this one.
Just advertise the site like crazy. Ads aren't cheap but maybe we can make the revenue back.
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Fuck it

Debate.com

Full circle
Debate.com is available put per godaddy is 500,000. I don’t have that kind of money and I doubt anyone would want to shell out 500k just for a domain name 
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I have programming experience ( a lot ) and my experience tells me that the owner being the programmer is just about the only way this kind of thing is going to work.
If there is a 15k annual income (for whatever reason) you can just barely afford pay for per change contract work.
There are a few other options:
1.) Use an off the shelf system and don't mess with it
2.) Fork an open source codebase and commit yourself to understanding the open source contributions (pull requests). Do not underestimate the difficulty of automatically deploying a new codebase.
I repeat: Do not let it become the personal project of a single (unpaid) volunteer. That kind of thing destroys friendships. It's thousands of man hours of work.
You're out, Liberty.

I'm going to be very direct here. You are not welcome on the team.
You will not be participating with this project anytime. 
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Sounds like you're all on the same page then. Good luck with that.

I'm sure there won't be any other differences in vision or implementation. Nope just perfect harmony.