Some examples of purported miraculous healings

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The Congregation for the Causes of Saints (now part of the Dicastery for the Causes of Saints) investigates and approves miracles used in the canonization (sainthood) process in the Catholic Church. These miracles are typically medically inexplicable healings attributed to the intercession of a candidate for sainthood.
Here are some notable examples of miracles approved by the Congregation:
🩺 1. Healing of Marie Simon-Pierre (Pope John Paul II’s cause)
  • Year: 2005
  • Condition: Advanced Parkinson’s disease
  • Miracle: After praying for Pope John Paul II’s intercession shortly after his death, her symptoms disappeared overnight. Neurological tests confirmed the disease had inexplicably vanished.
  • Significance: This healing was used for John Paul II’s beatification in 2011.
🩺 2. Healing of Floribeth Mora Diaz (John Paul II’s canonization)
  • Year: 2011
  • Condition: Inoperable brain aneurysm
  • Miracle: From Costa Rica, she prayed for John Paul II’s intercession on the day of his beatification. Her aneurysm disappeared without surgery.
  • Significance: Approved as the miracle for John Paul II’s canonization in 2014.
🩺 3. Healing of a newborn (Mother Teresa’s cause)
  • Case: A tribal woman in India gave birth to a child with multiple brain abnormalities.
  • Miracle: The child recovered suddenly after the family prayed to St. Teresa of Calcutta.
  • Significance: Used for her canonization in 2016.
🩺 4. Healing of a Brazilian man (Fulton Sheen’s cause)
  • Year: 2010
  • Condition: Stillborn baby, no heartbeat for 61 minutes
  • Miracle: After prayers for the intercession of Archbishop Fulton Sheen, the baby revived suddenly without brain damage.
  • Significance: Approved miracle for Sheen's beatification (though it has since been delayed).
🩺 5. Healing of a woman with tuberculosis (St. André Bessette)
  • Year: Early 20th century
  • Condition: Tuberculosis of the spine (Pott’s disease)
  • Miracle: The woman claimed to have been healed instantly after praying to Brother AndrĂ© and touching a relic.
  • Significance: One of the miracles used for his canonization in 2010.
How the Vatican verifies miracles:
  • Strict medical review by independent doctors
  • No natural explanation must be possible
  • Instant, complete, and lasting healing required
  • Must be linked specifically to prayer for the intercession of the candidate
Would you like a list of the most recent miracles approved in the last few years, or miracles tied to particular saints?

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Yeah, Christianity is one of my religions, even if some Christian people bring embarassment to it.
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Hmmm, could it have something to do with that a  human's body is comprised of 7 billion billion billion atoms?
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Brother in Christ, they will keep doubting you even if you showed 400 of these.

I respect the ethos and aim, I just have seen that this strategy only helps believers believe more it doesn't win over non Christians much at all.
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I wonder if my 7 year old cousin, a member of a deeply religious family said, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?",
when he died from leukemia.
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8 billion to one are long odds but worth a pound of any ones money.


Though oddly, these sort of things never make global headlines.

But can make a lot of money for the Roman Catholic Church.

And fraudulent hypochondria, is as difficult to diagnose as it's sudden recovery is.

And Roman Catholic doctors are likely to be a tad biased, as are their Roman Catholic patients.

Notwithstanding the power of positivity on physiological systems.

Nor what poor gullible people will do for money.

Or in fact, what not so poor people will do for more money.
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3. Healing of a newborn (Mother Teresa’s cause)
  • Case: A tribal woman in India gave birth to a child with multiple brain abnormalities.
  • Miracle: The child recovered suddenly after the family prayed to St. Teresa of Calcutta.
  • Significance: Used for her canonization in 2016.

Can you expand on this? What were the "abnormalities"?
What was  Mother Teresa's role in the so called "miracle"?
What are the requirements for something to be announced  and proclaimed as a "miracle?
What evidence did the RC Church have and/or consult for proof of the so called Miracle"?

I can only find this:

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Mother Teresa's first miracle has officially been recognized for more than a decade. In 1998, one year after her death, her intercession reportedly cured an Indian woman of a stomach tumor. TIME reported the story of Monica Besra and her tumor in 2001


BUT! her husband doesn't seem to have agreed at all saying: that he believed that "medicine had cured his wife, not divine intervention".
 WHAT'S MOTHER  TERESA GOT TO DO WITH IT?

Monica sys she's proof  of a miracle by the late Nun  the late nun; but her husband begs to differ.
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it looks like you may have shown plausible doubt, on one of the miracles the catholic used in canonization. but that's just one example. you blanketly ignored all the others and latched onto the one you could find a shadow of doubt about. your argument shouldn't be that these purported miracles have explanations for them that make them not inexplicable. you should acknowledge that some of them are inexplicible and look miraculous to some people... but you insist that it's simply the law of statistics and that sometime the body simply heals itself inexplicably. i think that's a weak argument when we can't find the same sorts of things from atheists and other religions, but that's the only real argument you have. it's plausible to stay a skeptic, even if it's in my opinion weak. 
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 but that's the only real argument you have. it's plausible to stay a skeptic, even if it's in my opinion weak. 
Ok lets look at the first thing that leapt from the page to me: 

🩺 1. Healing of Marie Simon-Pierre (Pope John Paul II’s cause)
  • Year: 2005
  • Condition: Advanced Parkinson’s disease
  • Miracle: After praying for Pope John Paul II’s intercession shortly after his death,
🩺 2. Healing of Floribeth Mora Diaz (John Paul II’s canonization)
  • Year: 2011
  • Condition: Inoperable brain aneurysm
  • Miracle: From Costa Rica, she prayed for John Paul II’s intercession 
🩺 3. Healing of a newborn (Mother Teresa’s cause)
  • Case: A tribal woman in India gave birth to a child with multiple brain abnormalities.
  • Miracle: The child recovered suddenly after the family prayed to St. Teresa of Calcutta.
  • Significance: Used for her canonization in 2016.
🩺 4. Healing of a Brazilian man (Fulton Sheen’s cause)
  • Year: 2010
  • Condition: Stillborn baby, no heartbeat for 61 minutes
  • Miracle: After prayers for the intercession of Archbishop Fulton Sheen, 
🩺 5. Healing of a woman with tuberculosis (St. André Bessette)
  • Year: Early 20th century
  • Condition: Tuberculosis of the spine (Pott’s disease)
  • Miracle: The woman claimed to have been healed instantly after praying to Brother AndrĂ© and touching a relic.



Do you not notice anything yourself in your own examples that should cast serious doubt on those( YOUR )claims? No? well here's a clue. compare your claims to this poor desperate couple:  keeping in mind that  there are over100 verses preaching the importance of payer; 

“the parents believe healing comes from God and that they never expected their daughter to die as they prayed for her and summoned others to do the same”.A central Wisconsin couple who prayed rather than seeking medical care for their 11-year-old dying daughter were sentenced to six months in jail and 10 years probation in the girl's death. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/07/couple-sentenced-daughter-prayer-death

December 14 2019.
Church attempts resurrection of a dead two year old child, through Prayer
“We have a precedent” said Pastor Bill, “Jesus raised the dead”.
He said “there was no time limit on how much longer the prayers and singing would continue, but added that the child remained at the county coroner's office”.

Interesting that Jesus also commanded any one that followed him to:
“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give”. Matthew 10:7-8 .
They appear to have done everything by the book too:

“'Since that night, and at the continued request of the Heiligenthal family, Bethel Church has hosted prayer and worship gatherings which consist of singing and prayer,' the church said in a statement”.

Interesting it is that the bible informs its adherents to continue praying! And to “never give up”. Luke 18.
The baby’s funeral was eventually held December22.
What happened here ? “Ye of little faith”or the wrong faith?

It appears that the only thing “raised” during this whole sad sorry saga was $62,000 (“unforeseen expenses "don't you know) via a GoFundMe page. I can hear Pastor Bill sermonising Acts 2:45 as I write.

Members of the Followers of Christ Church whose members rely on prayer and had prayed for their sick newborn baby instead of taking her to the hospital are charged with murder. “The infant died just hours after she was born”. This couple was expecting twins, one had already died at birth and they prayed to god and Jesus that the other would survive. It didn’t.
“Dale and Shannon HIckman, were convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to six years in prison for the death of their newborn infant.”

In all of three cases (and many more) every single religious grieving parent was denied what they asked for in their payers.

I found it interesting too that the only thing that this Pastor and his church managed to  "raise" was the $63,000 that came on the backs of these unfortunate dead children and their grieving parents. 
 Do you not se my point
My guess is that you will completely miss the bleedin' obvious!



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Also, I am a destroyer mage. I dont have healing powers I think, but my destructive powers are great. It is because I prefer Gods like Shiva the destroyer.
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@Stephen
There are some cases where prayer fails, but it is always due to the one who is praying being unworthy of what he is asking for.
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There are some cases where prayer fails, but it is always due to the one who is praying being unworthy of what he is asking for.
I see the point I was making  at post #9  to n8nrgim has gone right over you head too.

regardless. Can you tell me what was " unworthy" about asking for the life of your child? Interesting that Pastor Bill was the only one to gain anything (  "$63,000 in unforeseen expenses")from this  prayer session and the begging and pleading form the child's parents:




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Can you tell me what was " unworthy" about asking for the life of your child?
Not all prayers are granted. Ask God to explain it to you.
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What are the odds for a prayer being answered.

If it's 1 in a 1000, or 1 in 10000, or 1 in 1000000, then one is going to be answered sometime.
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What are the odds for a prayer being answered
There are no known odds. You are either worthy or arent worthy. All my prayers get answered.
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Can you tell me what was " unworthy" about asking for the life of your child?
Not all prayers are granted. Ask God to explain it to you.

Why should I have to ask god for an explanation? You have spoken on gods behalf  few times now why the change in habit?  Why would my question be worthy of a response from god while a mother and father praying for the life of their beloved child and devout Christens -  deemed to be unworthy?
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Why should I have to ask god for an explanation?
God explains best.