Why are more liberals joining The Right?

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This is becoming increasingly common, with ex-leftists joining and identifying as right-wing. Destiny claims it is because the right plays the game politically while the left doesn’t. 

The “playing politics” tactic is coalition-building. He explains that the right have a lower standard for entry, while the left are quick to socially exile or excommunicate someone whose values fall short. 
Which is why their community may not recognize a former right-wing as one of their own because they are trying to maintain a certain level of purity. (This is what he means, even if he says he hates the word ‘purity.)

(Destiny is also a bad person that doesn’t deserve a platform, but that’s a different subject.)
But would you agree that Destiny’s take on this is accurate or inaccurate? 
(Can’t find the video by googling the title, but it popped up the other day) 
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Most of us Democrats moving to the right voted for Obama after seeing all the issues with Bush Growing up, particularly the government encroaching on freedoms, the Patriot act, rushing to war with Iraq and what felt like attacks on free speech with radio stations and what not refusing to play songs with words like bomb, tv shows being pulled that had terrorists in them etc. 

In recent years it has been the left making all the attacks on freedom so the right won over those voters. We were the people chanting George Bush did 9/11 due to the cui bono of the situation. I know the left doesn't call it attacks on freedom but we can see who was intimidating social media companies into not allowing certain stries or narratives to grow. The me generation is going to obviously want to keep their freedoms.
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For me it was religion.

I disagree with both.

I am not even sure I am right wing. I see the Farage and Trump types as truly corrupt, slimy and embracing evil but they are going to bring people closer to the values of religion, tradition, conformity, peace than the left.

Idk what to say really. The whole concept of democracy is a joke to me anyway. If 190/200 people say it is okay to mutilate outside of necessary tortue interrogation then what does that mean? Is it okay to mutilate?

What?
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you will be happy to know that the biggest promoters of democracy are really just fascists in sheeps clothes, as evidenced when they deal with a populist. they banned a politician in Romania, are trying to ban a party in Germany and they had a tough on crimes philipino [resident who received about 75% of the votes and they are arresting him, this only happens to conservatives and the people more likely to promote monarchy.
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you will be happy to know that the biggest promoters of democracy are really just fascists in sheeps clothes, 
I have noticed this too. 

A lot of the role models in the leftist/democrat community are pseudo-liberals or democrats. Grifters who don’t care for their beliefs, and don’t actually care about politics 
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A lot of the role models in the leftist/democrat community are pseudo-liberals or democrats. Grifters who don’t care for their beliefs, and don’t actually care about politics 
Right wing lead in US:
3 wives
'grab em by the p###'
multiple SA accusations,one so valid he had to pay a lot to get the charges dropped
Ridicules catholicism
Incited domestic terrorism to undermine a valid election result


Apparently he respects democracy and is conservative 🤣🤣🤣

You know what is funnier? He brings shame to actual fascism, he has no idea what genuine fascism would do a sexual degen slimeball on 3rd marriage like him.
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I think the playing politics bit explains a lot of it, especially since the right and left are (a) relative to what the "center" is in some particular place, (b) collections of policies that often change and don't always have anything to do with each other. So people can shift to the "right" or "left" without actually changing their opinions.

I always thought this categorization was a bit short-sighted, since moving people to your "side" might be a political win in the short-term but a loss later on if priorities change. If people move to the right because they realize price controls are often inefficient, I think that's good news. If they move to the right because they want to enforce segregation, then that's bad news. Maybe a political shift due to racism would help the free-market people win elections now, but what policies "the right" stands for and prioritizes can change in just a few years.
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He explains that the right have a lower standard for entry, while the left are quick to socially exile or excommunicate someone whose values fall short. 
Sounds pretty accurate to me.
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Sounds pretty accurate to me.
This is why the entirety of the left routinely does shit like push to Pardon Roman Polanski (Child rapist). It's because they have really high standards to get into their club. If allowing child molestors and welfare queens in is high standards you need your head screwed on straight
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Is there a mass movement of people from the left to the right? I don’t really see that. Yes Trump won the popular vote by like 1.5% but I wouldn’t get too cocky about that. 

Partisan Dems don’t want to admit it (although they’re beginning to hate the guy too) but the Biden admin was incredibly, incredibly extreme. Unilaterally quadrupling immigration (all illegal or outside the intended scope of our laws), huge spending bills that just weren’t needed at all even after massive inflation had started, open racial spoils system (ie, trying to ration covid medicine or aid by race, nominating judges solely due to race and gender), very very very nakedly authoritarian. And of course the left wing party has now been implicated in a massive cover up of the president being at least partially incapacitated. 

That will leave almost anyone who isn’t a partisan with a bad taste in their mouth. It seems to me like the Overton window itself moved significantly to the right over those years. Looking at it like conversions seems wrong for most people imo, it’s more like they may have moved slightly to the right on certain issues and the spotlight has been on things people don’t like about the left.

Trump is doing a little better this time around, especially if he continues to back off on the tariffs, but the backlash to him will probably hurt the right eventually and something similar will happen as people focus on the stuff they don’t like about the right now that they are in power. 
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I think there's an understated phenomenon in the US where the most successful Republican politicians and influencers are ex-Democrats. Trump is the big one but there's also people like Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, RFK Jr. (he was polling about as well as a third party candidate could in 2024), etc.

As for why, I'd argue there are three reasons.
First, the Overton Window in the last half-century has near consistently moved left. This means a general trend where yesteryear's centrist Democrats become palatable to Republicans, while at the same time the purity spiral comes for said centrist Democrats, pushing them into the Republican camp. Second, someone who leaves their old party is thought of positively as a freethinker not beholden to blind dogma. Third, Democrats as a historical rule have been a lot better at populism than Republicans, so an ex-Democrat running in Republican primaries brings with him a very useful skillset that his opponents tend to lack.
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Sounds pretty accurate to me.
This is why the entirety of the left routinely does shit like push to Pardon Roman Polanski (Child rapist). It's because they have really high standards to get into their club. If allowing child molestors and welfare queens in is high standards you need your head screwed on straight
Yeah I'm still unable to wrap my head around that. Super fucked up.

Still think the left cancels more than the right tho.
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I sincerely think we are passed that and we are in the part of statistics called the return to the median. At least until people forget the lefts true agenda and they try to boil the frog again, you can see the shift in messaging where AOC is for example and the messaging is mostly correct but it rings hollow after seeing what they have been up to when they thought themselves invincible 
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You lost me at the left's true agenda.

Look, can we eat the rich yet or not
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I've got a bib with a billionaire's name on it. I'm tired. Let's do this.
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As for why, I'd argue there are three reasons. 
First, the Overton Window in the last half-century has near consistently moved left. This means a general trend where yesteryear's centrist Democrats become palatable to Republicans, while at the same time the purity spiral comes for said centrist Democrats, pushing them into the Republican camp. Second, someone who leaves their old party is thought of positively as a freethinker not beholden to blind dogma. Third, Democrats as a historical rule have been a lot better at populism than Republicans, so an ex-Democrat running in Republican primaries brings with him a very useful skillset that his opponents tend to lack.


IMO a big part of the reason the Republican Party has been so inefficient in our lifetimes is because by the early 90s they’d for the most part won on the things they cared about. Post WWII economic policy was so so much more left wing than it is today. The 90% top marginal tax rates is just the tip of the iceberg. The Republican Party
was also extremely concerned with containing the Soviet Union pretty much from the very beginning…then it collapsed. 

What did the establishment GOP actually want? McConnell and Co clearly very much cared about lowering taxes and appointing GOP aligned judges. They actually were really effective at that. But the right doesn’t really have an overarching idea of what they want society to look like imo. The left doesn’t really either but they have a religious like framework about systems of oppression, equity, etc which informs their viewpoint by default on almost any issue that pops up. Whereas the right in America is more like a coalition and the only thing they have in common is that they reject the left 
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You lost me at the left's true agenda.

Look, can we eat the rich yet or not
Marxism applied swapping class for other variables such as race, gender, etc
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Yes it doesn't make sense and no the plebs are unaware it's partially unguided but liberal elitists set things in motion and lost a level of control. 
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Remember that the US debt-to-GDP ratio was 123% in fiscal year 2024, meaning the total national debt of $35.46 trillion was 123% of the country's economic output. This ratio has been fluctuating, with an all-time high of 130.4% in March 2021 and a record low of 31.8% in September 1974
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Yes. That actually makes a lot of sense and puts things into perspective. 
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Destiny was criticizing people like H3H3 and Hasan Piker for not remaining true to their beliefs.
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Remember that the US debt-to-GDP ratio was 123% in fiscal year 2024, meaning the total national debt of $35.46 trillion was 123% of the country's economic output. This ratio has been fluctuating, with an all-time high of 130.4% in March 2021 and a record low of 31.8% in September 1974
I am pretty sure people are thankful they can eat again and pay their bills and could give a shit less about those numbers. It's great that Biden kept those numbers where you liked them but it's not worth it if it's hurting the average American to do so
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This obviously goes in the political section. This isn't the arena . 
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But would you agree that Destiny’s take on this is accurate or inaccurate? 
100% accurate.
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This is becoming increasingly common, with ex-leftists joining and identifying as right-wing. Destiny claims it is because the right plays the game politically while the left doesn’t. 
I agree with him for the most part. The purity testing on the left is worse than on the right, but a big part of that is because today's political right isn't about ideas, it's a cult of personality. Make no mistake about it, if you offend the dear leader you no longer belong.

I definitely think all these claims of America swerving to the right are deeply over exaggerated. The popular vote in this election is the closest margin since 2000 and you'd have to go back to 1964 to find the next closest. We're too deeply divided to see the kind of movement the Trump base would have us believe. Plus, politics is a pendulum so the significance of any movement is likely to be overblown.  What people want is change, so until politicians take our ever growing wealth gap seriously the party in power will always be to blame for people's ills. Watch how it'll swing back in 2026.
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and what felt like attacks on free speech with radio stations and what not refusing to play songs with words like bomb, tv shows being pulled that had terrorists in them etc. 

In recent years it has been the left making all the attacks on freedom so the right won over those voters.
Censoring things like songs and tv shows that included terrorists wasn't the government telling the people what they were allowed to watch or hear, that was the result of people deciding for themselves what they wanted to watch and hear.

It never ceases to amaze me how self contradictory right wing views of freedom are. You all seem to think you have a right to a platform, the right to force your views down everyone else's throats. You don't. You get to say whatever you want, and I get to criticize it. And if enough people agree with me than you won't have an audience, and if enough of us use our freedom to boycott whoever is providing your platform that person or entity has the right to stop providing it to you. That's how freedom works.
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I agree with him for the most part. The purity testing on the left is worse than on the right, but a big part of that is because today's political right isn't about ideas, it's a cult of personality.
Yeah in a way Trumps shamelessness and the cult of personality is a political benefit. Look at the tariffs. He can and hopefully will back down with a few token “deals” in a way that would utterly humiliate a normal politician 
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Censoring things like songs and tv shows that included terrorists wasn't the government telling the people what they were allowed to watch or hear, that was the result of people deciding for themselves what they wanted to watch and hear.
Nope it was top down from the stations no polling had time to be done. It was a cooling effect of George Bush seeming like he would enact authoritarian policies and the left later stole his playbook much to the dismay of those of us who voted for Obama hoping for an extreme and radical change
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So, we vote A and nothing changes.

And so we vote B.

And nothing changes.

And so.

We will eventually vote A again.

Simply because people always want more than is available.

And testosterone fuelled device fiddlers on a lowbrow website ain't going to to make diddly squat of a difference.

But if it achieves orgasm.

The roll over and go to sleep.

And in the morning, piss, shower and breakfast.

Before repeating the same old mundane chores that facilitate survival on a daily basis.


OK...So WW3 might spice things up a bit.

The irony is, that we might die from natural causes beforehand.

Though as I always say...Everything that occurs is naturally occurring.

SO death by WW3, should rightly be classified as death from natural causes.


As King Arthur would say...Fuck you Guinevere.
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We off the plantation now. We'll help the crackas round up the Mexicans and Indians (dot), as long as we get our paper. I seen that Haitian eying up my Maine Coon too, skin folk aint kin folk.