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@whiteflame
@Savant
@Lashwnda
Guys! Look who it is!
It's Wylted!!
Why are more liberals joining The Right?
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@thett3
Yeah in a way Trumps shamelessness and the cult of personality is a political benefit.
I would say for him it is the political benefit and sole reason he remains viable. Sam Harris put it best when he said "if Trump were half as bad, he would have seemed worse. Cause at least then it would be recognizable".
Trump is such a cartoonishly absurd figure that people just brush off anything he does as Trump being Trump. The other day he reposted a conspiracy theory that Biden died in 2020 and was replaced by a clone. If Biden had ever done anything so ridiculous we would have all been screaming 25th amendment. But with Trump it's just Tuesday.
This works the other way also. You mentioned tariffs, everyone can see how self destructive they are. But with Trump because he's a cartoon, therefore so are his policies, so even educated and intelligent people will defend them saying they trust Trump. Why? We all know what a tariff is. We all know how they work and what they will do. But Trump is a cartoon, and in the cartoon world the rules of physics don't apply so somehow, someway, this will all work out. Just believe.
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@WyIted
Censoring things like songs and tv shows that included terrorists wasn't the government telling the people what they were allowed to watch or hear, that was the result of people deciding for themselves what they wanted to watch and hear.Nope it was top down from the stations no polling had time to be done.
Stations are not the government.
And you're right, no polling had to be done because it was common sense. At that time we all felt the same way, and because we all had the freedom to feel that way and the freedom to ensure we all pushed for what we wanted, the stations took that into account and used their freedom to meet the needs of it's listeners and viewers. That's called freedom.
It was a cooling effect of George Bush seeming like he would enact authoritarian policies and the left later stole his playbook much to the dismay of those of us who voted for Obama hoping for an extreme and radical change
If you're talking about the Patriot act and all that yes, there was certainly government encroachment and it is already becoming clear that history will not look kindly on it. But that is a far cry from anything you or the political right are talking about today when you all talk about encroachment into our freedoms.
And since you care so much about stopping government encroachment into our freedoms, I'm wondering what you think about the current administration using the power and apparatus of the state to tell colleges who they can admit and what they are allowed to teach, punishing law firms for defending clients the president doesn't like, locking up students for writing op eds the president finds unfavorable, and using the FTC to go after news outlets that criticize him.
Kind of odd that you really seem to care about the cup of water spilled in the living room and not the flood in the kitchen.
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@Double_R
Stations are not the government.
No, and nobody claimed they were but you do understand the cooling effect of the government right? It's the same cooling effect that Democrats had when they threatened social media companies if they allowed free speech.
I'm wondering what you think about the current administration using the power and apparatus of the state to tell colleges who they can admit and what they are allowed to teach,
Giving funding for special views is unethical but pulling funding is not. Harvard for example is supposed to be privately funded so pretty fucked up they got anything at all.
punishing law firms for defending clients the president doesn't like, locking up students for writing op eds the president finds unfavorable, and
Haven't heard about this
using the FTC to go after news outlets that criticize him.
They haven't criticized policies. They have lied for example saying trump called for a blood bath if he loses when he was speaking about actually an economic blood bath if the administrations policies continued assuming they would if he lost. News organizations should be completely unbiased and give the news in a dispassionate non partisan way. That is if they are being put on public airwaves. Ones who aren't using public sources of funding or infrastructure should be free to do what they want though it's unethical to be partisan and evil to lie about what people said. Remember when a portion of the right criticized the Obama team for calling Palin a pig when they really said "put lipstick on a pig" as a metaphor. Many members of the right called this a stupid criticism and a clear lie. Also see how I can criticize my own side and give good points about the left? This is called not being a retarded NPC
Let's just be honest especially if we have elevated responsibilities like we are the only source of information for boomers too stupid to use a computer, like my mom.
Kind of odd that you really seem to care about the cup of water spilled in the living room and not the flood in the kitchen.
Honestly Republicans have never ever tried to do some insane shit like lock up a former president. If you attempt that shit, the people pushing it do deserve some payback before we normalize again. It is never ever okay to try and arrest a president or a senator etc. And yes we know of times where Bill Clinton actually did rape women and the right had control of the Senate and they did the right thing. They let him get away with it. You shouldn't even have the appearance of being politically motivated.
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@WyIted
you do understand the cooling effect of the government right?
Yes, and I'm really glad you do so I don't need to explain it to you. Keep that in mind...
punishing law firms for defending clients the president doesn't like, locking up students for writing op eds the president finds unfavorable, andHaven't heard about this
Then you live in a bubble and it's no wonder you think the real threats to American freedom is on the left as opposed to the current administration.
So tell me more about that government cooling effect.
Giving funding for special views is unethical but pulling funding is not.
Nonsense. This is one of the most basic concepts in law and is frankly common sense; the reason why you do something matters more than what you actually did. If you pull funding because you decided to make budget cuts to balance the budget, that's perfectly fine. If you pull funding because you don't want black people being admitted, that's overt racism and a blatant violation of civil liberties.
You don't get to pretend these actions are being taken in isolation. They're all part of a very clear and established pattern and Trump is barely trying to hide it. To not see it is a choice.
News organizations should be completely unbiased and give the news in a dispassionate non partisan way. That is if they are being put on public airwaves.
First of all, there is no such thing as an unbiased human being, so you're purported expectation is already outside the realm of planet earth.
Second, of any news network is objectively biased, that would be the network that had to pay. Almost a billion dollar defamation settlement for systemic lying about a presidential election.
Third and more importantly, are you really arguing that it is up to the government to decide which news networks are "unbiased" enough to be handed the privilege of the public airwaves?
It is never ever okay to try and arrest a president or a senator etc.
Are politicians subject to American laws? Yes or No?
And yes we know of times where Bill Clinton actually did rape women and the right had control of the Senate and they did the right thing. They let him get away with it.
They literally impeached him for lying about ablow job.
You shouldn't even have the appearance of being politically motivated.
Tell me your thoughts about the President of the United States signing executive orders telling the DOJ to investigate his political opponents.
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@Double_R
Tell me your thoughts about the President of the United States signing executive orders telling the DOJ to investigate his political opponents.
Once the left opens that up you are allowed one term for revenge to let them know it is never okay to cross that line before returning to normal. Look at Romania and Germany where politicians are being banned for literally being conservative. To fight back against that sort of fascism you literally just play back a little bit to get them rethinking whether they should remain evil or not.
They literally impeached him for lying about ablow job.
And they let the rape slide.
Are politicians subject to American laws? Yes or No?
We have to give them an extremely long rope because if there is even a one in a million chance that it's politically motivated to prosecute them than your actions are evil.
My philosophy is don't be evil
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@WyIted
Tell me your thoughts about the President of the United States signing executive orders telling the DOJ to investigate his political opponents.Once the left opens that up you are allowed one term for revenge to let them know it is never okay to cross that line before returning to normal.
This is where you show your true colors by demonstrating that you do not care at all about the very thing you are pretending to be passionately against.
If you care about not weaponizing the justice department then your response to someone doing just that would, now that you're back in power, be to figure out how to ensure it never happens again, not to use it as an excuse to weaponize it yourself and then pretend that your escalation of it's weaponization will somehow scare the other side into never doing it again.
This isn't a serious argument.
It's also complete and total nonsense because it's based on a made up premise, which also shows that you really don't care about this. The democrats did not weaponize the justice department. Again, this is nothing more than a convenient excuse to do what you guys always wanted to do.
Are politicians subject to American laws? Yes or No?We have to give them an extremely long rope because if there is even a one in a million chance that it's politically motivated to prosecute them than your actions are evil.
That's not how it has ever worked. Politicians get indicted and convicted all the time and for much less than what Trump did, and no one has ever had a problem with it. The only thing that's different now is that we have a man baby in the White House who plays the victim card louder and better than any other politician we've ever seen and has cultivated a cult like base whose common trait is a disdain for critical thinking.
The idea that politicians should be given "an extremely long rope" is totally anithetical to the concept of the rule of law and our entire reason for being; that we don't have kings here. Our political leaders are supposed to be setting the example, not abusing the system because they can get away with it. The latter goes against the very concept of the great America you guys all say you want.
And even if I accepted your long rope ethos, Trump was already given that. The man incited a mob to attack the US Capitol. There isn't enough rope on earth to let that one slide, and the thing if it is if he had in real time realized what he did and taken real steps to make it right we could have chucked it all up to "well, he fucked up but he learned his lesson" and moved on. What did he do instead? He sat there in the oval office dining room for 3 hours watching the attack on TV and wondering why no one else around him was as gitty as he was. Any argument you have that Trump didn't intend what would eventually happen goes out the window at that point.
Then there's the Mara-Lago documents case where the national archives and FBI had to ask for months to pretty please please give them back before they finally had to get a judge to sign off on a search warrant. That's absurd.
The only case you have at least a halfway sort of decent case on is the NY case (which is not the justice department). Which means your best example of Trump being unjustly attacked by the justice system is a case where Trump's own lawyer went to jail for 3 years for something he did "in coordination with and at the direction of" Donald Trump but you're saying it's lawfare when Trump is held to account for that same exact action. Great case.
My philosophy is don't be evil
Then stop defending it
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@Sir.Lancelot
This is becoming increasingly common, with ex-leftists joining and identifying as right-wing. Destiny claims it is because the right plays the game politically while the left doesn’t.The “playing politics” tactic is coalition-building. He explains that the right have a lower standard for entry, while the left are quick to socially exile or excommunicate someone whose values fall short.Which is why their community may not recognize a former right-wing as one of their own because they are trying to maintain a certain level of purity. (This is what he means, even if he says he hates the word ‘purity.)(Destiny is also a bad person that doesn’t deserve a platform, but that’s a different subject.)But would you agree that Destiny’s take on this is accurate or inaccurate?(Can’t find the video by googling the title, but it popped up the other day)
Occam's Razor suggests something far more simple.
Today's Republican has the exact positions as a 1990's Democrat. In fact, Trump had, and still has, far more in common with Bill Clinton than any traditional Republican. They didn't leave the left. It left them. In reality, only the labels switched, the people stayed the same.
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@Greyparrot
Occam's Razor
Occam's Razor is retarded theory. I dont see why people take as true something which is so retarded.
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@Double_R
Then stop defending it
lol, equivocation will never save Marxist tyranny from the outrage of Americans. Game over man.
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@WyIted
punishing law firms for defending clients the president doesn't like, locking up students for writing op eds the president finds unfavorable, andHaven't heard about this
Disgraced and disbarred evil Fani Willis literally brought RICO charges against Trump lawyers. There's zero equivocation.
This isn’t just about Trump or Fani. When lawyers fear prosecution for defending unpopular clients, and students risk legal trouble for writing controversial opinions, it creates a chilling effect. People stop speaking, stop defending, stop engaging, stop fighting government oppression. That’s fear-based compliance.
So yes, zero tolerance on false equivocations is fair here. Even if you think Trump’s 2020 legal efforts were bad or baseless, criminalizing the legal strategies of his defense team set a dangerous and evil precedent.
If this became the new standard, every losing political campaign would end with prison time for lawyers. That’s not how a free society works.
In fact, it just makes it that much more impossible for anyone on the left to claw back freedoms from the government when the tables turn.
Stop equivocating
Stop defending evil
Start calling out evil
There is no such animal as a benevolent Marxist. Don't try to make a pet out of a wild animal.
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@WyIted
LBJ promised a “Great Society,” but what we got was the slow death of the American Dream. His policies didn’t eliminate poverty, they institutionalized and codified it. Instead of empowering people to reach their dreams, they created generational dependency on the state. The cost of living exploded under the weight of regulation, while wages stagnated and the nuclear family, once the backbone of American society, collapsed. Fatherlessness, crime, and hopelessness rose where purpose and pride used to be. We didn’t solve injustice, we replaced personal responsibility and the family with a permanent bureaucracy with its own self-serving version of justice. The “Great Society” didn’t build greatness. It subsidized decline.
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@Greyparrot
Fatherlessness, crime, and hopelessness rose where purpose and pride used to be.
Well said there, but people like crime now anyway. Average American commits 3 crimes per day.
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@Greyparrot
Even if you think Trump’s 2020 legal efforts were bad or baseless, criminalizing the legal strategies of his defense team set a dangerous and evil precedent.
There is a reason the fraud/crime exception in attorney-client privilege exists.
If this became the new standard, every losing political campaign would end with prison time for lawyers.
Slippery slope nonsense. The standard is that you don't get to pretend you're practicing law when what you're really doing is conspiring to try and steal an election.
Disgraced and disbarred evil Fani Willis literally brought RICO charges against Trump lawyers.
Because they committed crimes against the state of Georgia. That's how the justice system works.
Your comment reminds me of the arguments that constantly come out of MAGA world. You guys really don't seem to care about any of the details, you just think because charges were brought, that in and of itself proves wrongdoing on the part of the prosecutors which is amazingly stupid.
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@LucyStarfire
Occam's Razor is retarded theory. I dont see why people take as true something which is so retarded.
Occam's razor is one of the most basic tests of whether someone is applying logic and critical thinking. What are you talking about, do you even know what it is?
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@Double_R
Occam's razor is one of the most basic tests of whether someone is applying logic and critical thinking
I dont think.
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@Double_R
Slippery slope nonsense.That's how the justice system works.
Pick a stance dude, lol. The public is tired of the "if we do it, it's good, when they do the same thing it is evil"
Just stand up for evil against both sides instead of worshipping one evil cult over the other.
This is exactly why your favorite corporate media millionaire can't sell any "tell-all" books. The public is done with the cult-like hypocrisy.
Deplorable.
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@Double_R
If you care about not weaponizing the justice department then your response to someone doing just that would, now that you're back in power, be to figure out how to ensure it never happens again,
Umm no, because once they get back in power they will be evil again. You can't make a perfect system so people have to know that if they do evil they will be punished to discourage evil things. Why do you struggle with the simple concept of "just don't be evil"?
There is a reason the fraud/crime exception in attorney-client privilege exists.
Yes the reason it exists is so the government can twist the definition of these things and do whatever the fuck they want so long as it's what lib tards want